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this hope radio for the masses headline

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of the food reliably 1947 the Army Air

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has been found and is now in the

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possession of the army the game is

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rigged changed the game game changer I

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occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network and a GRA the global ring

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you listening to

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fade to black the spoke radio

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math says ah he do today's Wednesday

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23 days into the new year just 342 days

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and we are alive from a bunker somewhere

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in the middle of beautiful downtown

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and I would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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game changer network and Keiji are a the

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planets I am your host if you church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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how you doing tonight fire it up man

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fired up tonight

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halo Harris is here that's right we're

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gonna be talking about whistleblowers

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that's right we're gonna talk about J

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Allen Hynek we're gonna talk about you

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follow to you around the world countries

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it's gonna be a great conversation

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tomorrow night is another Fator night

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with open lines all night long and that

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will be tomorrow night I do want to

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remind everybody Friday I will be at the

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NAMM show that's right I will be down in

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Anaheim California and then Saturday

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night I am over at coast-to-coast am and

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my guests over on coast to coast will be

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Carolyn Ford we're gonna talk about

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Einstein I still can't get on Stine

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Einstein so I'm excited about that and

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Switzerland of course this year we are

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another amazing week that we've got next

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beans on that yesterday on Monday Dara

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mood it's gonna be awesome okay so

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Church radio.com alright crazy news day

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today it doesn't get any crazier than

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what went down today right now I don't

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do politics on this show don't do it I

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do the conspiracy of politics more on

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that in just a bit but what a crazy news

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day today I mean big news and a lot of

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which I would normally ignore but

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Venezuela has broken diplomatic ties

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with the United States or has it a

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senior trump administration official

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order for US diplomats was to depart

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Venezuela that it was meaningless

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president Trump announced today that he

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is recognising Venezuelan opposition

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leader Juan guay guai doe and I think

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correctly yet I've heard a few different

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glyco as the legitimate president of

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Venezuela following Trump's announcement

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Maduro said that he was officially

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breaking relations with the United

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in Venezuela had just 72 hours to leave

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Nancy Pelosi has cancelled president

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Trump's State of the Union address

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on the house floor that was scheduled

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for next week Tuesday January 29th that

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that that's historical news that's news

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that will be in the history books in 50

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years when when kids are taking US

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history if they still study but yeah

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really really big deal that went down

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today and then if that doesn't top

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everything on President Trump has just

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sent a letter to the North Korean leader

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Kim fatty fat and it was officially

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received today in Pyongyang Wow right

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okay now if as if that wasn't all huge

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news and it all fits it's just crazy

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autonomous air taxi that's right and

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that happened earlier today at a small

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airport outside of Washington DC don't

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get too excited nobody was onboard it

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lasted about 60 seconds and it wasn't

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really a flight it just hovered but you

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got to start somewhere right and that's

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we won't be here in 50 years thanks Jays

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man you know gotta say that I won't be

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here in 50 years well I could be I would

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be a hundred and five years old the

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oldest man in the world died last week

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did you guys see that I think he's one

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hundred and fifteen hundred and eighteen

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years old Japanese and yeah he died last

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week so no word yet on who is number two

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who the successor is to the oldest

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person in the world but yeah I would

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have to crank it to 105 I would you know

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what I would do it I would do it I'm not

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sure that I mean look at me I'm 55 years

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like I did when I was 25 I play guitar I

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listen to heavy metal and I don't

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address like you know what I mean

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I don't know so the age of 105 what we

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is the new right right isn't that what

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I don't know so what would that make 105

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what would that make a buck oh five

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right yeah you're living you guys are

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funny but you know what would 105 mean

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the way that people are talking today if

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I cranked it to 105 would i look 50

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60 I'll tell you what Jane Fonda have

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you guys seen Jane Fonda's new TV series

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no it's not so new anymore grace and

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Frankie have you peeped that out and if

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you haven't you should go check it out

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and it reminds me going back to the show

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newsroom Sorkin's show on HBO but go

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check out Jane Fonda Jane Fonda's 81

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years old

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81 go check out you know what if you

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didn't know her age and let's say you

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didn't even know it was Jane Fonda it's

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just some brand-new actress right first

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acting you you didn't know and you had

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to guess her age you would be off by at

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least 20 years

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I guarantee 81 she's about to be 82 so

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there you go all right where am I at

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Boeing Boeing all right I just mentioned

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I will be at the NAMM show this Friday

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January 25th I'm gonna be running around

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all day with a guitarist Kurt James I'm

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very excited about that and today I was

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talking to Kurt on the phone sent him

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some files some music and I think he's

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gonna do a little guitar work on it

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more on that as that develops how cool

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that's going to be but I will be hanging

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out with Curt James all day Friday

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walking around the NAMM show we've got a

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lot of stuff to do a lot of business to

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get taken care of and that is Friday

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January 25th if you're gonna be at the

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NAMM show hit me up on Twitter let me

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know where you are I will be posting

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everybody in real-time where I am at at

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the NAMM show that's this Friday and

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then coming up next month it's only I

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can't believe I am going to say this it

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is exactly one month away

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it is the 2019 conscious life Expo right

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here in Los Angeles California at the

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LAX Hilton which is February 22nd

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through the 25th and like I've said

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every day we are celebrating the 50th

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anniversary of Erich von däniken

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Chariots of the Gods and our guest

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tonight bill Harris of course is going

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to be there so is Eric Jason Martell

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Billy Carson rabbi ariel bar who i had

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two nights ago is gonna be there too as

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well and he is so dynamic Linda Moulton

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Howe right not seeing Haramain and I

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just lost one ear of my headphones and

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isn't that absolutely bizarre check oh

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man is the feed still in stereo the

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feeds in stereo why am i in mono god I

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hate this check oh I'm back got a wiggle

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the cable it just just died

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all right and so that is coming up next

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month and click on the banners over to

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after that is contact in the deserts

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very cool contact in the desert calm

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that is May 31st through June 3rd in

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Indian Wells California and then right

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after that and this is very important

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our 2019 Sol tech conference is over the

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and what you need to do you have to go

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to Seoul tech gathering dot-com and get

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on the mailing list for first crack at

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access to tickets over the next I'm

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going to say probably three four or five

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days we're gonna do the full blitz on

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the announcements and we've got I

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believe we've got all of the scheduling

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done and and speakers and all of that is

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go to Seoul tech gathering dot-com to

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get signed up

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very limited tickets and it's going to

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sell out it's gonna sell out probably

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this week so what you want to do is go

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to Seoul tech gathering calm right now

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it's over the July 4th weekend right

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there in beautiful Loveland Colorado ok

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got I did see a post earlier today

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saying do we ship shirts internationally

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yes we do and so if you want your

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get those in our store over at shimmy

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Church radio.com all you got to do is

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plug it into your information and your

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address boom and the international stuff

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will pop up right there ok it's all

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simple let's get this show crackin happy

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birthday to today the one and only cheap

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trick frontman Robin Zander is 66 years

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old that's right makes you want to

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what's your favorite cheap trick song

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right right that's a long list of hits

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what's your favorite cheap trick when

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you think of cheap trick where do you go

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all right think about that live at

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Budokan what a great album so I don't

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want to pollute everybody with what

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where I go first but there's it's not

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their oldest but I think it's their best

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anyway no you had new headphones these

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these headphones here okay Kevin just

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posted up beats I've got the beats and I

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used them for you had to go back and and

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watch fade to black and see when I was

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using the beats those beats which were

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very expensive lasted me about three

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months the foam the leather all cracked

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broke apart started separating that that

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stuff fell apart cable issues and

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everything else and they sounded okay

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they weren't great not as nearly as nice

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as these Sony V sixes that I'm wearing

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right now and over at coast to coast I

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used TAS cams I've got another pair of

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Sony's but I don't I that I used to use

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over a coast but probably at the NAMM

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show I'll be think I'm gonna have some

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new headphones so it's funny that you

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did but I guarantee you I will never

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never waste money on beats again alright

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what's that the best cheap trick song

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he's a [\h__\h] dream police oh he's a

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[\h__\h] came in a second time look at that

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cheap trick is that before 1979 I know

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what I'm playing yeah yeah yeah yes it

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is surrender live from Budokan I agree

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with you that is an amazing I can't

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believe you guys aren't come on the

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flame that's what I'm talking about

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James coming in strong the flame all

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right I'll give you guys a tip their

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task camps coming out with new

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headphones but Ashdown engineering has

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their meters headphones and they've been

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wanting to send those to me for a long

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time and I may I may take the plunge

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there but you know I'm committed to

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tascam and they've they've got some new

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headphones coming out so we'll see what

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happens

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on Monday and we'll see if I can get a

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pair of headphones out of the Convention

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Center on this day in history in 1968

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the USS Pueblo a Navy intelligence

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vessel is engaged in a routine

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surveillance of the North Korean coast

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when it is intercepted by North Korean

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patrol boats they still have the Pueblo

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you can go to Google Earth and look at

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it and satellites right there the USS

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Pueblo you can see a parked at the dock

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and so they still have the boat but the

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surviving 80 two-man crew was released

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11 months later Fader fact here you go

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is a good one

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dutch bicycle company van hoof puts

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pictures of flat-screen TVs on their

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bike boxes doing so saw an 80% decrease

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in damage during shipping that their

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cover of don't be cruel is amazing

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that's really good Cassandra that's

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pretty good but I'm going with the flame

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the flame anyway so you take a look at

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the van who've shipping boxes their

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bikes got the giant Aviv right on the

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side and they don't get damaged in

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shipping anymore that is your fate or

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fact

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all right tonight paella Harris is here

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we're gonna be talking about

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whistleblowers little J Alan Hynek

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Project Blue Book and of course

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ufology all around the world with a

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focus on Latin America Central and South

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America tomorrow night's another Fator

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night with open lines all night long

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let's do this I mentioned at the top of

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the show that I don't do politics I just

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don't I don't I in it for a minute and

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all it did we get it just get me just

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all wound up right I just don't do

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polish that I don't cover on the show

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but politics is one of them but what I

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do do is the conspiracy of politics and

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right now we have the craziest things

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going on

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possible right right now not only here

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in the United States of course but

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internationally and it seems that Latin

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America hasn't been in the news like it

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has been in the past right just about

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every country in Central and South

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America has been influenced one way or

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another by the United States and the CIA

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over the years island nations - as well

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right and you know it's like pick a

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country pick a country think about it

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civil wars overthrows dictatorships

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money the CIA United Fruit Company you

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go but after the invasion of Panama and

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the removal of Manuel Noriega we haven't

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heard much about overthrowing nations to

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the south right it just really hasn't

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been part of our game at least on the

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surface because you know the conspiracy

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has never ended but that was until today

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it seems that we're on the brink of

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another various situation in Venezuela

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president Donald Trump's decision to

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recognize Venezuelan opposition leader

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Juan guy Ito

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as the country's interim president sets

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the stage for a dramatic escalation in

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the coming days as forces within and

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outside of Venezuela wrestled to

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determine its future and I am very

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concerned when Maduro reacted to this or

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during American diplomats out of the

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country within 72 hours and Guido swore

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himself into office declared that Maduro

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had been deposed and that Americans can

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and should stay right and then the

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response from Washington here you go

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write harm any of our staff and the

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hammer is gonna fall well there you go I

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can tell you this with certainty this

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was all planned it was all planned for a

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very long time there are other players

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on the international scene as well and

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I'm talking about Russia and China this

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is a very serious game of confrontation

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chess these moves were all planned ahead

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and there is a lot on the table and

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under it

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it's called oil this isn't about a bad

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leader or a bad economy or the starving

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Venezuelan people he may be bad and they

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may be hungry and that's the story that

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will be spun for sure but it's about big

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banks big money and big very big oil the

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proven oil reserves in Venezuela are

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recognized as the largest in the world

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totaling 297 billion barrels now in

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comparison to number two

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that's right Saudi Arabia's reserves

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stand at 265 billion barrels so there

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you have it that's it there's your

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answer there is no other if Venezuela

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didn't have any oil right if they didn't

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have any oil we would stand by and do

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nothing

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we would let the bad guy starve his

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people and that my friends is the

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conspiracy of politics that is the crime

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of what is going on right now now

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there's there's two ways that I look at

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this there are seriously two ways that I

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look at this actually three one that I

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just presented to you right here but the

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other one and and I'm being very serious

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if we are so concerned about the

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government down there and so concerned

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about the people and the food and the

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money in the economy and what has

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happened you know to the good people of

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Venezuela if we're that concern why

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didn't we do anything five years ago it

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was bad then why didn't we right so it's

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a strange situation here we can't look

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like these heroes alright we're gonna go

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in and do it's just a

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00:27:35,250 --> 00:27:33,520
long way to approach this because quite

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frankly should have done this a long

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time ago and the other way that I view

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this and I and I truly mean this I lived

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a fairly close to Venezuela

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geographically you know pretty close

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when I lived down in Panama and I can

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say this because I live there that

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Central and South American people it

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doesn't matter what country are all

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beautiful unbelievably cool fun to hang

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out with love the United States they

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love the world they love everything you

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know that's that's the way that it is

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right and they certainly recognize the

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support and in the economy that the

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United States brings to their countries

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that that's part of it all of them would

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love to visit the United States that

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they could and if they can they do right

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and that's the truth about it and that's

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why I feel so bad about the people of

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Venezuela you know and what they are

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going through here and what they are

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about to encounter

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I left Panama before the invasion I left

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it I wasn't there for that but I was

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there for some very very tense moments

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and it's not it's not a fun situation to

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go through so I'm serious my thoughts

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00:28:53,610 --> 00:28:51,190
and prayers are with the good people of

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Venezuela hopefully this is going to be

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great tomorrow night is fader night open

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lines all night long Paola Harris this

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night a low American photojournalist an

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investigative reporter in the field of

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UFOs and extraterrestrial related

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phenomenal research with a master's

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degree in education she is also a widely

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published freelance writer she has

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studied extraterrestrial related

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phenomena since 1979 from 1980 to 1986

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she assisted dr. J Allen Hynek with his

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UFO investigations and has interviewed

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many of the top military witnesses

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concerning their involvement in the

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government truth embargo in 1997 MS

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Harris met and interviewed colonel

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philip corso in Roswell New Mexico and

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helped get his book the day after

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Roswell for which she wrote the preface

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translated into Italian Aeolus books

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include connecting the dots making sense

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of the UFO phenomenon how to speak to a

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ball of light Exopolitics Stargate to a

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new reality all above and beyond in her

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latest book conversations with Colonel

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Corso details the army and Corsos role

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in back-engineering alien technology in

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the Pentagon she's spoken around the

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world including Ireland England Norway

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Switzerland Colombia Argentina Chile

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Germany and Belgium her production

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company is Starworks USA LLC and she

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produces the star works you will say

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Laughlin UFOs and consciousness

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conferences right there that are held

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each November I would like to welcome

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back to fade to black Paola Harris Paola

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good evening how are you I'm doing well

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it's so good

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here you Jimmy but let me tell you I was

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born in Italy I'm Italian so I cleaned

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it a lot easier it just if the Americans

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call me Paulo because my Italian name is

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Paulo so it's it's hard it's hard so

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Paul is just fine you know it's funny

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that I call you Paulo when we're talking

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and then but formally in public I try to

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change it and I goof it up every time I

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know I'm just worried sometimes the word

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Tayla means that you're paid off for

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playing a record in the whole case

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that's what DJ's used to get for you

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know playing certain records so I think

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polishes let's do PI like because you

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and I and Reed are friends and we've

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known each other for a while let's just

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do that easier all right we'll go Paula

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Paul was good well this is where what

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have you been up to I can't believe it's

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been so long since you and I have talked

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and had you on the show what have you

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been up to well actually ironically you

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had me on the show when your mom died

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the day your mom died which I was just

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devastated when you got on a plane to go

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I think it was to Florida that's right

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yeah and and I've been up to I work all

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the time so what have I been up to I've

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been all over the place because you

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named all the countries and quite

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frankly I'm more of an international

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journalist I'm not a ufologist so let's

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get that clear I'm a journalist which

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means I have to cover all the stories

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and from 1992 to 2007 my house was in

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Rome my apartment was in Rome near the

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Vatican so I worked at the American

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oversee school and that money that I

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made teaching English of a master's in

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education I was able to do research over

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there and then from there I could go to

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countries because like when you're

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living in Italy it's next door to switch

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to Linux next door to Spain it's next

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door you know to England and so I was

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working there I returned to the United

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States in 2007 because I have two grown

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kids here in Boulder Colorado and I'm

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getting old and I wanted to be where the

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kids were so you know I'm living now

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outside of Boulder Colorado

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I love it here and so do I still travel

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yeah because the planet has become my

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home

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the I remember the videos of Colonel

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Corso over in Italy and that that was a

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pretty dynamic time for you wasn't it

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yeah but even even were even more

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interesting is how I met Corso I was I

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was working for a magazine and I still

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write for X times I was working for a

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magazine at that time called area 51 and

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my boss who's going to be in Laughlin

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this year by the way modiji Beata sent

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me to the 50th anniversary and he said

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go find this guy named Corso because

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you've got a brand new book out and I

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want you to do the story and I don't

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want to do it I at that time I was

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suffering over a romantic situation I

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was depressed I did not want to come

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back to United States but I ended up

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coming back because we had some friends

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that pick me up at the airport

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I end up in Roswell everybody and his

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brothers there I mean this was the 50th

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anniversary Whitley Strieber you know

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John Mack Budd Hopkins Linda everybody

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was there because this was a big 50th

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anniversary and there was no place to

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sleep Jimmy there was no place for me to

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do the story I didn't even know pourcel

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look like I ended up at the press at the

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press place I said to the media people

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I got I've got to do a story so don't

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put me in a hotel that's 50 miles away

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and they said yeah it's all booked up

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since February and they said if you want

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to stay here just look at the phone book

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I opened up the phone book the first

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place I called was the sally port Inn

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and I and there was one room one room

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there for three days and that room was

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next to Philip Corso okay see that's the

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universe right there

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00:40:47,830 --> 00:40:45,950
that's that weird yes or is that weird I

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mean I didn't know because I didn't know

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what he looked like I end up at the

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briefing there at the museum if you've

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ever been to Roswell come

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and I'm standing there and I don't I see

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him up there and I don't know how in the

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world I'm going to talk to him and this

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blonde guy comes up to me and says

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you're Italian and I said yes and he

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said why don't you ask my father a

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question in Italian and so who's your

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father he said Colonel course so he said

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you would I said I don't want to do

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because all the cameras are pointing

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this way he took his hand he shoved me

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a question about the Santilli footage

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which is the autopsy you know the alien

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famous alien autopsy footage right and

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he answered me saying that he thought it

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was very familiar to him because as part

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of the artefact said he had he had this

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lens covering that which was the eye of

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00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:45,400
the being you know of the clone of the

810
00:41:50,579 --> 00:41:47,770
extraterrestrial biological entity he

811
00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:50,589
said he had this lens and in the

812
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:52,569
Santelli footage if you remember they

813
00:41:56,730 --> 00:41:55,119
peel it off the eye they pee and then

814
00:41:59,220 --> 00:41:56,740
there's like a pupil underneath and he

815
00:42:01,230 --> 00:41:59,230
he he said to me I want to talk to you

816
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:01,240
and I didn't know that he was next door

817
00:42:07,769 --> 00:42:04,000
and when I saw him coming out of his

818
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:07,779
hotel later he came to my room and gave

819
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:10,450
me an incredible interview at 7:30 in

820
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:13,359
the morning and from that point on I

821
00:42:19,650 --> 00:42:16,690
invited him to Italy twice he spoke in

822
00:42:22,170 --> 00:42:19,660
Italy twice we were able to film him he

823
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:22,180
spoke to doctors scientists and so forth

824
00:42:27,569 --> 00:42:25,119
where he really Jimmy was not really

825
00:42:30,510 --> 00:42:27,579
appreciated in the United States at the

826
00:42:34,019 --> 00:42:30,520
time there was a lot of criticism there

827
00:42:38,190 --> 00:42:34,029
was a lawsuit against the book so I was

828
00:42:42,029 --> 00:42:38,200
lucky by accident or design to have been

829
00:42:45,690 --> 00:42:42,039
close to this man the book changed

830
00:42:48,329 --> 00:42:45,700
things for me too as well and I bought

831
00:42:51,650 --> 00:42:48,339
it the day that it was released and I

832
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:51,660
remember there was such there was such a

833
00:42:54,779 --> 00:42:53,890
fervor you know around the book and

834
00:42:59,250 --> 00:42:54,789
check this out

835
00:43:03,210 --> 00:42:59,260
I'm at my dentist office right and I'm

836
00:43:07,260 --> 00:43:03,220
pen my dentist his mom was the

837
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:07,270
receptionist very very cool lady and she

838
00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:09,450
somehow we start talking about UFO

839
00:43:14,270 --> 00:43:11,910
and she mentions the book and I was like

840
00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:14,280
I just bought it she goes really

841
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:16,710
I said yeah I finished it you know in in

842
00:43:22,310 --> 00:43:19,440
two days and she goes well can he bring

843
00:43:24,260 --> 00:43:22,320
it in and I had to come back the next

844
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:24,270
day I bring the book with me I didn't

845
00:43:30,940 --> 00:43:27,090
get that book back for a year that thing

846
00:43:33,470 --> 00:43:30,950
changed hands it went around and

847
00:43:35,090 --> 00:43:33,480
influenced so many so many people wanted

848
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:35,100
to read the book I got the book back a

849
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:38,330
year later all beat up and but everybody

850
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:41,280
wanted their hands on that book yeah

851
00:43:44,810 --> 00:43:43,200
absolutely it was a it was a

852
00:43:47,900 --> 00:43:44,820
game-changer still as we're talking

853
00:43:50,530 --> 00:43:47,910
about it today it was a game-changer and

854
00:43:52,850 --> 00:43:50,540
the reason for me this is a personal

855
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,860
observation was because I never

856
00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:54,480
understood where the cover-up was a

857
00:43:58,580 --> 00:43:56,940
cover-up and I thought oh well let's

858
00:44:01,550 --> 00:43:58,590
because it's gonna scare the whole world

859
00:44:03,650 --> 00:44:01,560
it's because gonna threaten religion and

860
00:44:06,140 --> 00:44:03,660
all this and when I read it and then one

861
00:44:08,990 --> 00:44:06,150
of him you know I knew him very well I

862
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:09,000
mean he came to Rome I spent hours with

863
00:44:14,030 --> 00:44:11,970
him I realized that the real secret

864
00:44:16,430 --> 00:44:14,040
the real cover-up is all about the

865
00:44:19,460 --> 00:44:16,440
back-engineering technology and of

866
00:44:20,570 --> 00:44:19,470
course today in 2019 and you know

867
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:20,580
because you've talked to Emory you

868
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:22,290
talked to so many whistleblowers that

869
00:44:27,020 --> 00:44:25,440
this technology is not something that

870
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:27,030
they're going to throw in the trash it's

871
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:28,560
not something they're going to ignore

872
00:44:33,140 --> 00:44:31,200
it's something that that the industry

873
00:44:36,170 --> 00:44:33,150
wants and it's something that produces

874
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:36,180
money and it's part of an economy and I

875
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:38,370
didn't realize that until I read Cornel

876
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:40,890
courses book I want to circle back to

877
00:44:46,010 --> 00:44:43,650
this a little bit later and cover this

878
00:44:49,370 --> 00:44:46,020
more in depth but what I wanted to ask

879
00:44:52,220 --> 00:44:49,380
you about really quick before we get out

880
00:44:57,950 --> 00:44:52,230
of this segment is Project Blue Book

881
00:45:01,490 --> 00:44:57,960
because well obviously the there's a

882
00:45:04,610 --> 00:45:01,500
little bit of an uproar you know behind

883
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:04,620
the series right now but you worked with

884
00:45:11,420 --> 00:45:07,530
J Allen Hynek for six years almost seven

885
00:45:13,850 --> 00:45:11,430
years and when you watch I want your

886
00:45:21,050 --> 00:45:13,860
first reaction when you watched episode

887
00:45:24,060 --> 00:45:21,060
one is this based on reality well

888
00:45:27,390 --> 00:45:24,070
the actual cases are real

889
00:45:31,470 --> 00:45:27,400
there were 701 cases in blue book start

890
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:31,480
in 1952 finish in 1969 with the

891
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:33,970
whitewash at the University of Colorado

892
00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:37,119
with the content report however knowing

893
00:45:42,750 --> 00:45:39,910
Alan and I Colin I'm gonna call him Alan

894
00:45:44,430 --> 00:45:42,760
Alan first of all never went anywhere

895
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:44,440
without a pipe and they're not letting

896
00:45:48,660 --> 00:45:46,450
the factor have a pipe for some reason

897
00:45:51,390 --> 00:45:48,670
or he doesn't want a pipe he never went

898
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:51,400
anywhere I never saw Alan without his

899
00:45:58,980 --> 00:45:55,450
pipe and number two Ellen Ellen was very

900
00:46:02,880 --> 00:45:58,990
thoughtful quite distracted at times but

901
00:46:06,089 --> 00:46:02,890
he but the addition of the paranormal of

902
00:46:08,849 --> 00:46:06,099
the men and black reminds me that she'll

903
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:08,859
reminds me a lot of the x-files sure so

904
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:12,010
I think it's it's modeled on that for

905
00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:14,770
people to watch it's you know

906
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:16,660
fictionalized for people to watch but

907
00:46:23,310 --> 00:46:21,250
the actual cases are real except you

908
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:23,320
know the first case there with the with

909
00:46:29,730 --> 00:46:27,040
the the pilot I'm not sure that the

910
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:29,740
pilot in the real case and Lou Pelt was

911
00:46:34,410 --> 00:46:32,290
involved in that was listening to a song

912
00:46:36,059 --> 00:46:34,420
fly me to the moon and it was you know

913
00:46:38,970 --> 00:46:36,069
in his mind I mean they added the

914
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:38,980
paranormal there with this with this

915
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:41,170
obsession with this song that he heard

916
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:44,530
and so forth I'm not sure that part is

917
00:46:49,859 --> 00:46:47,890
real but the actual cases are real it

918
00:46:53,010 --> 00:46:49,869
reminds me a lot of the x-files quite

919
00:46:55,650 --> 00:46:53,020
frankly well they've definitely modeled

920
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:55,660
it after the x-files but what I am more

921
00:46:59,460 --> 00:46:57,520
concerned with and I'm okay with that

922
00:47:03,000 --> 00:46:59,470
you know it's the easy way out for them

923
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:03,010
that the formulas laid out and and you

924
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:04,720
know that takes the mystery out of what

925
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:06,130
they're gonna do with the show and how

926
00:47:11,339 --> 00:47:08,290
they're gonna produce it but I'm more

927
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:11,349
concerned about the legacy of J Allen

928
00:47:17,099 --> 00:47:15,010
Hynek and and moving into what I you

929
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:17,109
know because I didn't know the man but

930
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:19,359
it seems like there's a lot of creative

931
00:47:24,990 --> 00:47:21,609
license and freedom that is going on

932
00:47:27,870 --> 00:47:25,000
here now you've you talked to Paul

933
00:47:30,839 --> 00:47:27,880
Wright his son Paul huh yeah I knew the

934
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:30,849
family me me and Paul and Mimi was

935
00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:32,450
nothing like she like

936
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:35,089
me was nothing like the Meany in the

937
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:38,410
show Mimi was interested in archeology

938
00:47:45,010 --> 00:47:43,250
Mimi was an intellectual she was not

939
00:47:47,230 --> 00:47:45,020
like the housewife in the show and there

940
00:47:49,210 --> 00:47:47,240
was certainly no Russian agent or

941
00:47:49,780 --> 00:47:49,220
whatever father Mimi around she's strong

942
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:49,790
lady

943
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:52,250
so yeah there's a lot of licensed in the

944
00:47:56,349 --> 00:47:54,770
show but you got to remember Allen Hynek

945
00:47:59,079 --> 00:47:56,359
was a professor he was here

946
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:59,089
absent-minded professor he wasn't and I

947
00:48:03,970 --> 00:48:01,040
don't think he was an adventurous person

948
00:48:04,810 --> 00:48:03,980
who climbed trees in the second in the

949
00:48:07,690 --> 00:48:04,820
second episode

950
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:07,700
he's the Flatbush Games climbing a tree

951
00:48:12,550 --> 00:48:09,920
now I don't think he did that kind of

952
00:48:15,250 --> 00:48:12,560
stuff basically what's great about Allen

953
00:48:17,470 --> 00:48:15,260
though Jimmy is that Allen started out

954
00:48:19,810 --> 00:48:17,480
as a skeptic and he's one of those

955
00:48:22,990 --> 00:48:19,820
wonderful people and I love these people

956
00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:23,000
that change their mind he's one of the

957
00:48:28,359 --> 00:48:25,849
people that went along with this the

958
00:48:31,329 --> 00:48:28,369
swamp gas stuff you know you could never

959
00:48:33,370 --> 00:48:31,339
live down I remember he used to tell me

960
00:48:35,740 --> 00:48:33,380
everybody's angry with me because I'm a

961
00:48:37,870 --> 00:48:35,750
johnny-come-lately they all knew it was

962
00:48:41,050 --> 00:48:37,880
real and I went with the you know swamp

963
00:48:45,130 --> 00:48:41,060
gas explanation so he never could live

964
00:48:49,089 --> 00:48:45,140
that down and you know but he was he was

965
00:48:51,460 --> 00:48:49,099
a curious man he was thorough and in his

966
00:48:54,940 --> 00:48:51,470
investigations that he had the courage

967
00:48:57,720 --> 00:48:54,950
enough to go on his own and I became a

968
00:49:01,120 --> 00:48:57,730
member of his Center for UFO studies in

969
00:49:03,460 --> 00:49:01,130
Evanston Illinois and he had the files

970
00:49:06,250 --> 00:49:03,470
there that he was working on what I did

971
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:06,260
for him was translate his Italian files

972
00:49:12,670 --> 00:49:10,250
his Italian sightings did the obvious

973
00:49:16,839 --> 00:49:12,680
question of course here Paula is this

974
00:49:20,730 --> 00:49:16,849
did he ever confide in you anything that

975
00:49:26,020 --> 00:49:20,740
you can speak about here about et's

976
00:49:28,990 --> 00:49:26,030
government knowledge his experiences is

977
00:49:30,730 --> 00:49:29,000
yeah well he was angry because he kept

978
00:49:32,740 --> 00:49:30,740
saying they're not telling me everything

979
00:49:34,750 --> 00:49:32,750
he kept saying no they're not telling

980
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:34,760
they're hiding so much from me they're

981
00:49:40,599 --> 00:49:38,569
not telling me everything you know so he

982
00:49:44,170 --> 00:49:40,609
couldn't get the truth he couldn't get

983
00:49:45,490 --> 00:49:44,180
the whole story in the confiding part

984
00:49:46,030 --> 00:49:45,500
was he was more of a teacher and a

985
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:46,040
mentor

986
00:49:51,340 --> 00:49:48,710
to me because at that time and and I'd

987
00:49:53,950 --> 00:49:51,350
grown up a lot all he had me do was put

988
00:49:57,580 --> 00:49:53,960
pins and maps I mean he called me and he

989
00:49:59,980 --> 00:49:57,590
say there's five sightings in Indiana

990
00:50:02,410 --> 00:49:59,990
put the pin on the map and I was doing

991
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:02,420
these what we call waves

992
00:50:09,550 --> 00:50:06,290
we don't have ways as much today and who

993
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:09,560
covers this as MUFON today but I was

994
00:50:12,820 --> 00:50:11,090
putting pins and maps I don't want to

995
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:12,830
hear who what was inside the craft I

996
00:50:17,380 --> 00:50:15,050
don't want to have to do with contacts

997
00:50:19,810 --> 00:50:17,390
or aliens or anything I was the

998
00:50:23,290 --> 00:50:19,820
black-and-white nuts and bolts you know

999
00:50:25,780 --> 00:50:23,300
person but once he sat me took once I

1000
00:50:28,330 --> 00:50:25,790
drove him to a place here in Denver

1001
00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:28,340
where contact he was telling him the

1002
00:50:34,060 --> 00:50:30,710
story and he you can see Alan leaning

1003
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:34,070
over with his pipe and and listening to

1004
00:50:39,370 --> 00:50:37,040
every word and I was and as I'm sitting

1005
00:50:41,260 --> 00:50:39,380
there going this person is crazy why is

1006
00:50:43,810 --> 00:50:41,270
Ellen giving him all this time

1007
00:50:46,300 --> 00:50:43,820
you know this person is not telling the

1008
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:46,310
truth and so forth and I went outside

1009
00:50:51,730 --> 00:50:49,490
and I said Alan Roy why did you spend so

1010
00:50:54,820 --> 00:50:51,740
much time he said one thing I have to

1011
00:50:57,610 --> 00:50:54,830
teach you he said is that when you are

1012
00:51:00,640 --> 00:50:57,620
listening to any witness you let them

1013
00:51:03,970 --> 00:51:00,650
tell the whole story and do not prejudge

1014
00:51:06,910 --> 00:51:03,980
or have preconceived notions he said the

1015
00:51:09,490 --> 00:51:06,920
story is that you must listen so I

1016
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:09,500
learned a lot from him and then he said

1017
00:51:14,260 --> 00:51:11,210
to me and I'll never forget this and

1018
00:51:16,540 --> 00:51:14,270
I've talked to jock valet since he said

1019
00:51:18,970 --> 00:51:16,550
Paula the paranormal is mixed up with

1020
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:18,980
this and don't ever throw the baby out

1021
00:51:24,820 --> 00:51:20,330
with the bathwater

1022
00:51:27,460 --> 00:51:24,830
do you think that there there are

1023
00:51:29,650 --> 00:51:27,470
certain things that have already been

1024
00:51:34,780 --> 00:51:29,660
revealed in Project Blue Book and I can

1025
00:51:38,590 --> 00:51:34,790
see where this is going that either dr.

1026
00:51:40,330 --> 00:51:38,600
Hynek lived two lives right one that we

1027
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:40,340
don't know about and the other one is

1028
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:42,130
the public one that we do know about

1029
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:46,130
that he was out there you know that he

1030
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:48,890
made contact he crashed in an airplane

1031
00:51:54,370 --> 00:51:51,650
and was out doing these these crazy

1032
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:54,380
investigations and and seeing things

1033
00:52:00,700 --> 00:51:56,559
that he just didn't

1034
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:00,710
you know and and I go back to Paul Hynek

1035
00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:03,410
is this stuff that maybe Paul and the

1036
00:52:09,370 --> 00:52:06,529
family have revealed to the writers that

1037
00:52:11,529 --> 00:52:09,380
this was actually going on in J Alan

1038
00:52:16,089 --> 00:52:11,539
Hynek sleight what do you think about no

1039
00:52:18,190 --> 00:52:16,099
no for people to know what Alan Hynek

1040
00:52:20,940 --> 00:52:18,200
was like they've gotta read John ballets

1041
00:52:25,059 --> 00:52:20,950
books they're called forbidden science

1042
00:52:27,370 --> 00:52:25,069
vol 1 2 & 3 & and jock gave me his books

1043
00:52:29,620 --> 00:52:27,380
and I reading those books I got the

1044
00:52:32,319 --> 00:52:29,630
whole story I got because it's their

1045
00:52:34,420 --> 00:52:32,329
journals their Diaries and and jock

1046
00:52:36,039 --> 00:52:34,430
talks about being with Alan in these

1047
00:52:38,349 --> 00:52:36,049
places all around the world

1048
00:52:40,569 --> 00:52:38,359
Alan like most of the people that

1049
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:40,579
research was looking for funds funding

1050
00:52:45,460 --> 00:52:43,490
money to do this because even though he

1051
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:45,470
went off on his own he needed funding

1052
00:52:49,809 --> 00:52:47,510
and I remember the whole funding

1053
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:49,819
question and he would go to different

1054
00:52:54,700 --> 00:52:52,400
places and observe like I said to you he

1055
00:52:56,740 --> 00:52:54,710
was great at listening he reminded me a

1056
00:53:00,160 --> 00:52:56,750
lot of John Mackey used to do the same

1057
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:00,170
thing you listen for hours he was not an

1058
00:53:05,319 --> 00:53:02,569
adventuresome jump on a horse go do your

1059
00:53:08,859 --> 00:53:05,329
own thing kite no he was a professor and

1060
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:08,869
and his passion I went on vacation with

1061
00:53:15,849 --> 00:53:12,890
him to New Mexico to Santa Fe with him

1062
00:53:17,950 --> 00:53:15,859
and me me and I remember his passion was

1063
00:53:19,900 --> 00:53:17,960
astronomy he loved to look through a

1064
00:53:22,809 --> 00:53:19,910
telescope they don't even have him doing

1065
00:53:25,269 --> 00:53:22,819
that there he had his own observatory I

1066
00:53:28,329 --> 00:53:25,279
think he had his own telescope down near

1067
00:53:31,779 --> 00:53:28,339
Socorro he looked at the Stars

1068
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:31,789
he he he was a professor he taught he

1069
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:35,690
taught at Northwestern he wasn't the

1070
00:53:42,430 --> 00:53:39,650
type to he invented climb trees jump on

1071
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:42,440
a horse go cold in the backwoods he

1072
00:53:47,019 --> 00:53:44,569
wouldn't do that kind of thing he wasn't

1073
00:53:49,870 --> 00:53:47,029
really like that and I think that the

1074
00:53:51,730 --> 00:53:49,880
Air Force brought him in because the Air

1075
00:53:53,859 --> 00:53:51,740
Force already knew the truth I mean you

1076
00:53:56,049 --> 00:53:53,869
could see I believe they already knew I

1077
00:53:57,339 --> 00:53:56,059
already dire I believe they already

1078
00:53:59,920 --> 00:53:57,349
thought it was a matter of national

1079
00:54:02,140 --> 00:53:59,930
security but they wanted a reputable

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00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:02,150
person to tell them stuff and a

1081
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:04,450
reputable person would be a professor

1082
00:54:08,420 --> 00:54:06,810
what about the

1083
00:54:11,300 --> 00:54:08,430
the whole men in black government

1084
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:11,310
interference part of what is starting to

1085
00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:13,920
evolve in project Bluebook with a J Alan

1086
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:16,200
Hynek when you were at the center of UFO

1087
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:19,610
studies was there anything you know was

1088
00:54:26,090 --> 00:54:22,800
did anything feel not right

1089
00:54:28,010 --> 00:54:26,100
was there any agent type people running

1090
00:54:29,870 --> 00:54:28,020
around it you ever see any activity like

1091
00:54:33,820 --> 00:54:29,880
that no but you got a look at the dates

1092
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:33,830
the dates were 1952 and he stopped in

1093
00:54:40,490 --> 00:54:37,650
1969 or it finished Bluebook finished in

1094
00:54:42,310 --> 00:54:40,500
16 I don't know 1l and stopped working

1095
00:54:46,010 --> 00:54:42,320
with them so what you're getting is the

1096
00:54:49,940 --> 00:54:46,020
1950s and the 1950s were full of stories

1097
00:54:53,180 --> 00:54:49,950
of men and black 1950s and 60s that was

1098
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:53,190
when the men in black situation so I'm

1099
00:54:57,740 --> 00:54:55,530
thinking they're g-men you know like the

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00:55:00,830 --> 00:54:57,750
FBI men like I lived back in those days

1101
00:55:04,970 --> 00:55:00,840
we had you know a lot of stories of the

1102
00:55:08,030 --> 00:55:04,980
FBI g-men dragnet all these stories back

1103
00:55:11,420 --> 00:55:08,040
in then and I think that that that was

1104
00:55:13,580 --> 00:55:11,430
back then I in 1980 I think we had

1105
00:55:16,610 --> 00:55:13,590
passed that stage of men and black and

1106
00:55:19,250 --> 00:55:16,620
so forth there there is CIA there are

1107
00:55:21,290 --> 00:55:19,260
people in the in the intelligence

1108
00:55:24,410 --> 00:55:21,300
community that that are in charge of

1109
00:55:26,090 --> 00:55:24,420
this I want to know the everybody wants

1110
00:55:29,420 --> 00:55:26,100
to know it's just to do what they do

1111
00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:29,430
with it it's different we want to know

1112
00:55:34,940 --> 00:55:32,220
for different reasons they want to know

1113
00:55:37,310 --> 00:55:34,950
for not only national security but as

1114
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:37,320
Colonel corsa used to tell me he said

1115
00:55:41,150 --> 00:55:38,970
everything we've discovered about the

1116
00:55:43,970 --> 00:55:41,160
artifacts and everything we're using for

1117
00:55:46,850 --> 00:55:43,980
military purposes first he said were it

1118
00:55:50,740 --> 00:55:46,860
could benefit mankind so there wasn't

1119
00:55:55,490 --> 00:55:50,750
any there wasn't any spook type activity

1120
00:55:59,210 --> 00:55:55,500
no but it might be interesting to have

1121
00:56:04,100 --> 00:55:59,220
Paul on because Paul is appalling Joel

1122
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:04,110
both Paul and Joel Jill is as oldest you

1123
00:56:09,230 --> 00:56:06,690
know are part of the show and they're

1124
00:56:13,940 --> 00:56:09,240
good friends if you want to I mean Paul

1125
00:56:16,490 --> 00:56:13,950
is for me and to ask the actual source

1126
00:56:17,710 --> 00:56:16,500
while I was with him there was none of

1127
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:17,720
that right

1128
00:56:23,740 --> 00:56:20,810
it was more it was more research like

1129
00:56:25,810 --> 00:56:23,750
academic research that is so funny

1130
00:56:28,930 --> 00:56:25,820
you just made comments about what you

1131
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:28,940
saw you that you were around back then

1132
00:56:38,620 --> 00:56:31,520
you're my age so you must have been like

1133
00:56:39,790 --> 00:56:38,630
three no I'm not I was born in 1945 no

1134
00:56:44,350 --> 00:56:39,800
not built in it

1135
00:56:46,900 --> 00:56:44,360
no not yet I was born in Italy 1945 my

1136
00:56:48,670 --> 00:56:46,910
father was a cavalry officer under

1137
00:56:52,210 --> 00:56:48,680
Mussolini and I didn't come to this

1138
00:56:54,250 --> 00:56:52,220
country until I was five but and my dad

1139
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:54,260
was the Italian counsel for the state of

1140
00:56:58,450 --> 00:56:55,970
Rhode Island so I'm the daughter of a

1141
00:56:59,260 --> 00:56:58,460
diplomatic family so I have that

1142
00:57:02,740 --> 00:56:59,270
mentality

1143
00:57:06,270 --> 00:57:02,750
the only difference I'd like to be an

1144
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:06,280
intergalactic diplomatic person now I'm

1145
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:10,130
doing the math and you just disclosed I

1146
00:57:18,010 --> 00:57:14,450
can't believe you you you you look

1147
00:57:20,140 --> 00:57:18,020
amazing see I was just talking about you

1148
00:57:21,970 --> 00:57:20,150
know I was just talking about this I've

1149
00:57:24,790 --> 00:57:21,980
got to head towards a break but earlier

1150
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:24,800
in the show I talked about the oldest

1151
00:57:29,620 --> 00:57:26,570
person in the world died last well you

1152
00:57:31,450 --> 00:57:29,630
know he's 118 and I yeah and I thought

1153
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:31,460
you know I just made this comment you

1154
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:33,200
know would we live you know what if I

1155
00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:34,970
lived another 50 years I'd be a hundred

1156
00:57:39,940 --> 00:57:36,710
and five but would I look a hundred and

1157
00:57:42,130 --> 00:57:39,950
five then you know because you know 70

1158
00:57:47,140 --> 00:57:42,140
is the new 40 kind of thing and you're

1159
00:57:53,260 --> 00:57:47,150
absolutely you are evidence of I would

1160
00:57:55,810 --> 00:57:53,270
have never scary it's scary but I'm

1161
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:55,820
honest about it because and my my career

1162
00:57:59,560 --> 00:57:58,250
spans over 40 years I know what I'm

1163
00:58:02,710 --> 00:57:59,570
talking though because I've lived that

1164
00:58:04,690 --> 00:58:02,720
long so and and so I have to be honest

1165
00:58:07,210 --> 00:58:04,700
wow that's incredible let's take a break

1166
00:58:10,810 --> 00:58:07,220
right here Paula and we'll pick up where

1167
00:58:12,940 --> 00:58:10,820
we are leaving off right here and that's

1168
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:12,950
about that I want to continue with J

1169
00:58:17,590 --> 00:58:15,530
Allen Hynek but we've got so much to

1170
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:17,600
cover tonight and we're gonna get it all

1171
00:58:21,390 --> 00:58:19,520
in everybody I promise this is fade to

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00:58:23,130 --> 00:58:21,400
black our guest tonight Paula Harris

1173
00:58:24,860 --> 00:58:23,140
our meals Jimmy Church stay with us

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00:58:42,750 --> 00:58:24,870
we'll be back up to the short break

1175
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:47,620
[Music]

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00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:50,360
this is fade to black with Jimmy Church

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on the game changer radio network and

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perks but remember being a few years

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younger you know your hair was thicker

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[Music]

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01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:08,860
welcome back fade to black I am your

1284
01:04:13,740 --> 01:04:10,090
host Jimmy Church our guest tonight

1285
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:13,750
Paula Harris we're covering it all

1286
01:04:19,860 --> 01:04:17,010
tonight we're gonna do whistleblowers

1287
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:19,870
we're gonna talk about ufology around

1288
01:04:24,930 --> 01:04:22,050
the world right now we're talking about

1289
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:24,940
Project Blue Book and dr. J Allen Hynek

1290
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:26,890
and before we get back to that Paula

1291
01:04:31,620 --> 01:04:29,050
you're going to be speaking at the

1292
01:04:33,450 --> 01:04:31,630
conscious life Expo coming up next month

1293
01:04:35,220 --> 01:04:33,460
and what are you going to be speaking

1294
01:04:37,860 --> 01:04:35,230
about and I understand that you're going

1295
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:37,870
to be interviewing Emory Smith tell us

1296
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:41,290
about that yeah well first my own

1297
01:04:45,810 --> 01:04:43,330
presentation is going to be about the

1298
01:04:48,810 --> 01:04:45,820
paranormal just as Allen Hynek talked

1299
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:48,820
about finally I'm going to talk about my

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01:04:55,530 --> 01:04:52,330
career and all the weirdness that led

1301
01:04:58,200 --> 01:04:55,540
from one story to one major story to

1302
01:04:59,780 --> 01:04:58,210
another and I'm going to try to connect

1303
01:05:02,250 --> 01:04:59,790
the dots my first book is called

1304
01:05:04,650 --> 01:05:02,260
connecting the dots making sense of the

1305
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:04,660
UFO phenomenon so I'm going to cover

1306
01:05:11,910 --> 01:05:08,290
from you know 19 when I saw Close

1307
01:05:15,300 --> 01:05:11,920
Encounters when I met Hynek to my work

1308
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:15,310
in Latin America and all the the things

1309
01:05:20,970 --> 01:05:17,290
that have happened in this in this

1310
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:20,980
journey and as far as interviewing Emory

1311
01:05:26,130 --> 01:05:22,930
Smith he you know I live here in Boulder

1312
01:05:29,580 --> 01:05:26,140
he's I met him and he have done the

1313
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:29,590
interviews with Emory here and I have

1314
01:05:33,690 --> 01:05:31,570
done two major stories in Europe or

1315
01:05:37,650 --> 01:05:33,700
Emory is still famous in Rome right now

1316
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:37,660
he's just gotten an invitation to speak

1317
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:40,240
there because of my interviews which are

1318
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:42,730
translated into Italian and he's in

1319
01:05:48,180 --> 01:05:45,850
major magazines so the thing is that

1320
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:48,190
that I will be doing that I think he's

1321
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:50,890
speaking to days isn't he and I'm just

1322
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:53,050
doing one day of interview with him on

1323
01:05:59,340 --> 01:05:56,730
this stage and when it comes to

1324
01:06:02,450 --> 01:05:59,350
whistleblowers certainly you know

1325
01:06:05,430 --> 01:06:02,460
Colonel Corso is is one of them and an

1326
01:06:07,260 --> 01:06:05,440
Emory Smith although he doesn't like the

1327
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:07,270
the moniker right he doesn't he doesn't

1328
01:06:12,780 --> 01:06:09,850
like being called a whistleblower but a

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lot have come forward over the years

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what do you do with that you personally

1331
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:19,260
do you do you get a little squinty eyed

1332
01:06:24,900 --> 01:06:21,690
do you try to figure the person out

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because well let me tell you since I'm a

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woman with a colonel core so we brought

1335
01:06:33,390 --> 01:06:31,090
him to Europe and my Modiji bayada and I

1336
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:33,400
work together with him when I did the

1337
01:06:37,890 --> 01:06:35,770
Charles Hall case the tall white aliens

1338
01:06:40,740 --> 01:06:37,900
and I'm the journalists that broke that

1339
01:06:43,380 --> 01:06:40,750
story took me two years I asked a

1340
01:06:45,930 --> 01:06:43,390
frontier airline pilot to work with me

1341
01:06:48,990 --> 01:06:45,940
because I thought I was going crazy so

1342
01:06:50,700 --> 01:06:49,000
David kudos captain for frontier work

1343
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:50,710
two years on it with me

1344
01:06:55,230 --> 01:06:52,960
it's like Scully and Mulder I have to

1345
01:06:57,930 --> 01:06:55,240
have a Mulder what I did the Michael

1346
01:06:59,730 --> 01:06:57,940
Wolff case in in Hartford Connecticut

1347
01:07:02,640 --> 01:06:59,740
I had my colleagues at the

1348
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:02,650
dinoflagellate fly over and work with me

1349
01:07:09,300 --> 01:07:06,370
and now I'm working alone but you know

1350
01:07:11,700 --> 01:07:09,310
it's what happens is I just covered the

1351
01:07:13,980 --> 01:07:11,710
case word for word and it it takes a

1352
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:13,990
long time you know I also interviewed

1353
01:07:19,350 --> 01:07:16,450
dan burisch and it's a good thing I did

1354
01:07:23,820 --> 01:07:19,360
because he was a microbiologist and and

1355
01:07:26,940 --> 01:07:23,830
his story mirrors a lot Emory's story

1356
01:07:30,150 --> 01:07:26,950
and I had to go in a kind of a secret

1357
01:07:32,340 --> 01:07:30,160
place in Nevada and talk to him three

1358
01:07:35,250 --> 01:07:32,350
different times before I decided to that

1359
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:35,260
case because the first time this whole

1360
01:07:42,660 --> 01:07:37,930
thing about time travel this whole thing

1361
01:07:45,690 --> 01:07:42,670
about you know tissues from beings and

1362
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:45,700
all this it was shocking and I didn't

1363
01:07:48,270 --> 01:07:47,050
know if I was going to do it I didn't

1364
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:48,280
know if I wanted to put my name on

1365
01:07:53,820 --> 01:07:51,130
anything like that so it took three

1366
01:07:56,610 --> 01:07:53,830
times am I going there before I actually

1367
01:07:58,560 --> 01:07:56,620
covered the dan burisch case and I've

1368
01:08:03,210 --> 01:07:58,570
covered other cases Michael Wolfe I

1369
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:03,220
worked at s4 in area 51 Kirkland that's

1370
01:08:08,940 --> 01:08:05,280
where Charles Hall is working currently

1371
01:08:12,660 --> 01:08:08,950
so I was able because I've done so many

1372
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:12,670
of these pilots these insiders I was

1373
01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:15,370
very close to dr. Edgar Mitchell I've

1374
01:08:21,539 --> 01:08:18,490
interviewed so many of them that when

1375
01:08:25,289 --> 01:08:21,549
Emory says certain things it sets off a

1376
01:08:27,570 --> 01:08:25,299
lightbulb and I can connect it and I can

1377
01:08:29,970 --> 01:08:27,580
tell by not only his posture but his

1378
01:08:30,419 --> 01:08:29,980
intention if he's telling the truth or

1379
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:30,429
not

1380
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:33,370
and just like birch who couldn't wait to

1381
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:36,159
get back to regular science he couldn't

1382
01:08:39,899 --> 01:08:38,650
wait to go back to microbiology working

1383
01:08:41,970 --> 01:08:39,909
what he what he loves

1384
01:08:44,579 --> 01:08:41,980
Emery wants to do the same thing he

1385
01:08:47,309 --> 01:08:44,589
wants to help people in a medical way I

1386
01:08:50,910 --> 01:08:47,319
mean Emery I don't think is gonna spend

1387
01:08:53,579 --> 01:08:50,920
all his life being an insider and and

1388
01:08:56,939 --> 01:08:53,589
talking he he wants to actually do

1389
01:08:59,309 --> 01:08:56,949
something and you know make a difference

1390
01:09:02,099 --> 01:08:59,319
and I can tell when I'm speaking to

1391
01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:02,109
these people what their what their

1392
01:09:08,669 --> 01:09:04,960
intention is and how true they are what

1393
01:09:10,709 --> 01:09:08,679
happened to dan burisch he he was

1394
01:09:14,370 --> 01:09:10,719
allowed to speak for a certain amount of

1395
01:09:16,769 --> 01:09:14,380
time and he told me he said this is it

1396
01:09:20,749 --> 01:09:16,779
and he would come with his handler as

1397
01:09:24,510 --> 01:09:20,759
you know that ended up being marcia and

1398
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:24,520
you know and they would become together

1399
01:09:30,329 --> 01:09:26,890
and she'd watch everything he said just

1400
01:09:32,430 --> 01:09:30,339
like other people and to make sure he

1401
01:09:35,849 --> 01:09:32,440
didn't go off the reservation as dr.

1402
01:09:37,890 --> 01:09:35,859
Steven Greer would say and the Emory and

1403
01:09:40,530 --> 01:09:37,900
and Dan tell me he said when I'm

1404
01:09:43,019 --> 01:09:40,540
finished with this revelation I want to

1405
01:09:44,999 --> 01:09:43,029
go back to working regularly and I have

1406
01:09:47,550 --> 01:09:45,009
tried in these years to meet up with

1407
01:09:50,220 --> 01:09:47,560
them in Las Vegas because he's in that

1408
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:50,230
area and they have broken the

1409
01:09:54,419 --> 01:09:52,719
appointment twice so I understand he

1410
01:09:56,939 --> 01:09:54,429
wants to go back into the woodwork and

1411
01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:56,949
do the work he came out for a short

1412
01:10:01,919 --> 01:10:00,400
period of time it was very controversial

1413
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:01,929
there's a lot of people that took

1414
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:03,520
advantage of him and then he went back

1415
01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:06,400
to doing his scientist work and that's

1416
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:09,280
what from what I understand Emory wants

1417
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:13,210
to do too and and and and also other

1418
01:10:18,209 --> 01:10:15,370
people I've interviewed that were in

1419
01:10:21,649 --> 01:10:18,219
these in these you know black projects

1420
01:10:25,229 --> 01:10:21,659
they're either scientists doctors or

1421
01:10:27,540 --> 01:10:25,239
people that got caught up in this so you

1422
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:27,550
know I can tell I can feel it I can tell

1423
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:30,010
I know especially the locations and the

1424
01:10:37,260 --> 01:10:33,370
dates that they're what this is is

1425
01:10:38,610 --> 01:10:37,270
disclosure in drips it's in drips you're

1426
01:10:40,530 --> 01:10:38,620
never going to have full disclosure

1427
01:10:43,290 --> 01:10:40,540
you're going to get a drip here and if

1428
01:10:44,910 --> 01:10:43,300
you study and you read the

1429
01:10:48,510 --> 01:10:44,920
interviews if you read the people's

1430
01:10:50,220 --> 01:10:48,520
books from the source not internet but

1431
01:10:53,250 --> 01:10:50,230
from the sources you're going to get the

1432
01:10:55,050 --> 01:10:53,260
answers and what do you do why'd you

1433
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:55,060
know oh I kind of want to go back to

1434
01:11:00,120 --> 01:10:56,650
burst for a second because he's a good

1435
01:11:03,020 --> 01:11:00,130
example of this and and you were right

1436
01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:03,030
there at the beginning do you

1437
01:11:11,820 --> 01:11:07,510
investigate backgrounds do you do due

1438
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:11,830
diligence there uh with burr she had

1439
01:11:16,050 --> 01:11:13,570
already been out so his background was

1440
01:11:17,670 --> 01:11:16,060
all over and we saw documents and so

1441
01:11:21,330 --> 01:11:17,680
forth the Linda had covered that story

1442
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:21,340
before me and and there's an another

1443
01:11:26,850 --> 01:11:24,610
researcher who passed on I think is run

1444
01:11:29,610 --> 01:11:26,860
garner who did that story before he

1445
01:11:31,650 --> 01:11:29,620
submitted all that in but a good case

1446
01:11:33,780 --> 01:11:31,660
would be the Charles Hall case do you

1447
01:11:36,300 --> 01:11:33,790
know that case of course Charles Holland

1448
01:11:39,390 --> 01:11:36,310
the tall the tall whites and the Indian

1449
01:11:41,850 --> 01:11:39,400
Springs facility yeah okay well when I

1450
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:41,860
had when I was working with with the

1451
01:11:47,730 --> 01:11:45,370
pilot we got the names of the people I

1452
01:11:50,820 --> 01:11:47,740
wouldn't continue unless I got some

1453
01:11:53,790 --> 01:11:50,830
other corroboration on that story and we

1454
01:11:55,530 --> 01:11:53,800
got four names of guys that had worked

1455
01:11:58,230 --> 01:11:55,540
in Indian Springs with him but I

1456
01:12:00,150 --> 01:11:58,240
couldn't call this is after 40 years can

1457
01:12:04,350 --> 01:12:00,160
you imagine if a woman called and the

1458
01:12:06,330 --> 01:12:04,360
wife answered so I had the pilot call

1459
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:06,340
and he called and he taped the

1460
01:12:11,940 --> 01:12:09,130
conversations where they verified things

1461
01:12:14,970 --> 01:12:11,950
the Charles were sightless saying and uh

1462
01:12:16,170 --> 01:12:14,980
and then we had another weird thing and

1463
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:16,180
I'm going to talk about this in my

1464
01:12:22,500 --> 01:12:20,410
presentation I was in teaching in Rome

1465
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:22,510
and one of the teachers in the first

1466
01:12:28,140 --> 01:12:24,970
grade her father was visiting and he was

1467
01:12:30,330 --> 01:12:28,150
an LAPD policeman and he had heard me on

1468
01:12:32,010 --> 01:12:30,340
coast-to-coast aney he said Oh Paula

1469
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:32,020
Harris is in this you know private

1470
01:12:36,180 --> 01:12:33,610
school I was at the American overseas

1471
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:36,190
school and he he walks into my classroom

1472
01:12:42,900 --> 01:12:38,800
and he said I'm LAPD what can I do for

1473
01:12:45,330 --> 01:12:42,910
you and he said you can actually look up

1474
01:12:48,690 --> 01:12:45,340
these guys because we can't find them

1475
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:48,700
and they've changed addresses and I need

1476
01:12:52,779 --> 01:12:51,040
to talk to them before I do the story

1477
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:52,789
and he's the one he

1478
01:12:57,609 --> 01:12:55,010
Becca Los Angeles found where they lived

1479
01:12:59,020 --> 01:12:57,619
in two minutes and not only that this

1480
01:13:02,439 --> 01:12:59,030
was the first case where he had a

1481
01:13:04,929 --> 01:13:02,449
forensic artist actually draw a picture

1482
01:13:07,539 --> 01:13:04,939
of the teacher from Charles's

1483
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:07,549
description so I had a legitimate

1484
01:13:12,549 --> 01:13:10,249
policeman a legitimate forensic artist I

1485
01:13:14,559 --> 01:13:12,559
had to somebody help him me beside

1486
01:13:16,809 --> 01:13:14,569
behind the scenes and it was all an

1487
01:13:20,949 --> 01:13:16,819
accident I mean how could he end up in

1488
01:13:22,869 --> 01:13:20,959
Rome anyway and and so it was

1489
01:13:24,669 --> 01:13:22,879
fascinating I'm going to talk about some

1490
01:13:28,629 --> 01:13:24,679
of these cases and and when people

1491
01:13:32,379 --> 01:13:28,639
verify you know a Charles was only there

1492
01:13:34,839 --> 01:13:32,389
one year when this happened 1965 then he

1493
01:13:38,469 --> 01:13:34,849
was transferred to Vietnam I think this

1494
01:13:41,979 --> 01:13:38,479
is wonderful story because my stories

1495
01:13:45,009 --> 01:13:41,989
then went from I stay away that people

1496
01:13:48,909 --> 01:13:45,019
will tell you from just abduction cases

1497
01:13:52,779 --> 01:13:48,919
to contact cases with people with space

1498
01:13:54,489 --> 01:13:52,789
people or space visitors then I had to

1499
01:13:56,979 --> 01:13:54,499
go all the way back to the giant rock

1500
01:13:58,569 --> 01:13:56,989
days and I dug up all those people to

1501
01:14:01,389 --> 01:13:58,579
find out what happened in landers

1502
01:14:04,959 --> 01:14:01,399
California in the 1950s which has been

1503
01:14:06,789 --> 01:14:04,969
hidden right so I you know I I had to go

1504
01:14:09,099 --> 01:14:06,799
and look I looked them up see where they

1505
01:14:12,339 --> 01:14:09,109
live talk to them I ended up in

1506
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:12,349
Cornville to talk to Robert short get

1507
01:14:17,349 --> 01:14:15,199
details what the involvement was backed

1508
01:14:19,899 --> 01:14:17,359
in and the movie The Day the Earth Stood

1509
01:14:22,359 --> 01:14:19,909
Still I mean do you know how real that

1510
01:14:25,119 --> 01:14:22,369
movie is it's one of my favorites I

1511
01:14:27,339 --> 01:14:25,129
stole that was commissioned by the

1512
01:14:29,079 --> 01:14:27,349
intelligence community but that stuff

1513
01:14:32,069 --> 01:14:29,089
really happened no I think it's a

1514
01:14:34,719 --> 01:14:32,079
documentary myself that's my process

1515
01:14:37,089 --> 01:14:34,729
same thing the same thing with the Close

1516
01:14:40,329 --> 01:14:37,099
Encounters which actually I want to

1517
01:14:45,419 --> 01:14:40,339
swing back around now back to J Allen

1518
01:14:48,099 --> 01:14:45,429
Hynek because the the time that you

1519
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:48,109
found him which was or you guys found

1520
01:14:53,199 --> 01:14:50,449
each other I should say in 1980 what

1521
01:14:54,849 --> 01:14:53,209
attracted you what what took you in that

1522
01:15:00,729 --> 01:14:54,859
direction did you have a personal

1523
01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:00,739
experience no no no it was an awakening

1524
01:15:06,010 --> 01:15:03,679
situation in 1980 I began teaching a

1525
01:15:08,110 --> 01:15:06,020
high school I mean my kids were grown

1526
01:15:11,770 --> 01:15:08,120
where I could get start teaching I was

1527
01:15:15,130 --> 01:15:11,780
in my 30s by the way and and I got this

1528
01:15:18,490 --> 01:15:15,140
class and I started reading up giving

1529
01:15:22,570 --> 01:15:18,500
the kids like books getting the kids

1530
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:22,580
dune to read and HG Wells and all these

1531
01:15:27,250 --> 01:15:25,970
science fiction tales and and I got in

1532
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:27,260
trouble I mean this is in my book

1533
01:15:33,490 --> 01:15:29,810
because the minister came to the school

1534
01:15:36,220 --> 01:15:33,500
and said how come this teacher is

1535
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:36,230
teaching this course and it started with

1536
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:38,570
18 students and by the time I finish

1537
01:15:44,050 --> 01:15:42,080
teaching 186 students that wanted to

1538
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:44,060
take the course but then I started

1539
01:15:51,550 --> 01:15:48,370
looking at the veracity of it and I said

1540
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:51,560
you know the movie came out and I

1541
01:15:56,140 --> 01:15:53,930
thought to myself oh I wonder if this is

1542
01:15:58,990 --> 01:15:56,150
real and there was a wedding in Evanston

1543
01:16:02,080 --> 01:15:59,000
and I went to the wedding in Evanston

1544
01:16:04,300 --> 01:16:02,090
and and I pulled away one day and I said

1545
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:04,310
I'm going over to see if this is real

1546
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:06,290
and I walked into the Center for UFO

1547
01:16:11,590 --> 01:16:09,650
studies and I told them I was Italian I

1548
01:16:13,480 --> 01:16:11,600
wanted to see the file she's like you

1549
01:16:15,460 --> 01:16:13,490
show me open up all the drawers I want

1550
01:16:18,580 --> 01:16:15,470
to see if this Israel and Allen Hynek

1551
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:18,590
comes from behind the wall with his pipe

1552
01:16:23,260 --> 01:16:20,930
I'll never forget it because I never

1553
01:16:26,020 --> 01:16:23,270
thought he'd be there and he comes and

1554
01:16:28,780 --> 01:16:26,030
he says hello he said my secretary told

1555
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:28,790
me that you speak Italian would you like

1556
01:16:34,570 --> 01:16:31,970
to work with me and I thought oh my god

1557
01:16:36,780 --> 01:16:34,580
how did this happen and then from that

1558
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:36,790
point on it was one thing after another

1559
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:39,770
Close Encounters for me I had an

1560
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:42,290
emotional reaction at the very end of

1561
01:16:48,190 --> 01:16:46,250
the film when Francois Truffaut had that

1562
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:48,200
meeting with the beings and I was

1563
01:16:52,450 --> 01:16:49,760
sitting there in the audience and

1564
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:52,460
started to cry for no reason at all I

1565
01:17:00,610 --> 01:16:56,690
did not have any experience but that two

1566
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:00,620
tones you know the da da da da da yeah

1567
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:02,330
and and and something happened to me

1568
01:17:07,090 --> 01:17:04,130
after that I ended up going to Devil's

1569
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:07,100
Tower two years ago walking in the

1570
01:17:13,270 --> 01:17:11,210
forest and I hear these tones and yeah I

1571
01:17:15,610 --> 01:17:13,280
mean the the presentation I'll talk

1572
01:17:18,440 --> 01:17:15,620
about the weirdness I'm walking by

1573
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:18,450
myself in the forest and I hear da da da

1574
01:17:22,900 --> 01:17:19,890
I don't know where the heck it's coming

1575
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:22,910
from there's no sighting or anything but

1576
01:17:29,930 --> 01:17:26,250
anyway that movie star triggered

1577
01:17:32,210 --> 01:17:29,940
something in my DNA that and then the

1578
01:17:35,500 --> 01:17:32,220
going to Evanston the meeting Hynek the

1579
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:35,510
knowing it was real the going from one

1580
01:17:40,550 --> 01:17:38,610
Insider to another the the five books

1581
01:17:44,020 --> 01:17:40,560
with all the interviews all over the

1582
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:44,030
world I began to try to figure this out

1583
01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:46,650
the I still cry at the end of that movie

1584
01:17:54,370 --> 01:17:51,450
by the way so you do watch it I watch it

1585
01:17:57,530 --> 01:17:54,380
all the time I watch it Close Encounters

1586
01:18:04,850 --> 01:17:57,540
all the time I watch it once a month I

1587
01:18:09,190 --> 01:18:04,860
do I there's something that triggers in

1588
01:18:11,630 --> 01:18:09,200
us a reaction now but we've all

1589
01:18:13,970 --> 01:18:11,640
speculated and let's kind of put this to

1590
01:18:16,610 --> 01:18:13,980
bed at least from your perspective and

1591
01:18:18,290 --> 01:18:16,620
your contact with Hynek because he

1592
01:18:20,060 --> 01:18:18,300
appears in the film you know he's got

1593
01:18:21,350 --> 01:18:20,070
that famous scene he steps up and he's

1594
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:21,360
looking at the craft at the end of the

1595
01:18:28,220 --> 01:18:25,050
film where I'm you know doughy eyed and

1596
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:28,230
crying at that moment but so he steps up

1597
01:18:33,140 --> 01:18:30,480
and and he's got that moment which

1598
01:18:37,490 --> 01:18:33,150
suggested a couple of things to all of

1599
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:37,500
us one that Hynek was in the know

1600
01:18:44,570 --> 01:18:41,250
Hynek knew things real things factual

1601
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:44,580
things and you're saying if I'm

1602
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:46,290
understanding you correctly that it was

1603
01:18:52,940 --> 01:18:48,170
actually the opposite he was frustrated

1604
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:52,950
because he didn't know things so let's

1605
01:18:57,050 --> 01:18:54,930
let's let's put this to bed well it's

1606
01:19:00,500 --> 01:18:57,060
not just Hynek i mean if you read those

1607
01:19:03,290 --> 01:19:00,510
three books if people still read to read

1608
01:19:05,690 --> 01:19:03,300
jacques valets of forbidden science

1609
01:19:08,060 --> 01:19:05,700
because it's a diary and jacques valet

1610
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:08,070
knew more about the inside operation

1611
01:19:13,180 --> 01:19:10,050
than Hynek did because he met with

1612
01:19:15,530 --> 01:19:13,190
people began and jacques malaise

1613
01:19:19,580 --> 01:19:15,540
character was the one that I bonded with

1614
01:19:22,070 --> 01:19:19,590
in the movie Francois Truffaut who was

1615
01:19:25,100 --> 01:19:22,080
really a director not an actor but when

1616
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:25,110
Truffaut said to everybody they'd been

1617
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:27,930
invited they've been invited you know

1618
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:29,760
let them through they've been invited

1619
01:19:34,229 --> 01:19:30,730
right right and

1620
01:19:36,630 --> 01:19:34,239
I talked to Jack valet this year and and

1621
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:36,640
I asked him I said you know what was

1622
01:19:42,900 --> 01:19:38,890
your part in the film and he said he

1623
01:19:45,390 --> 01:19:42,910
said that Spielberg couldn't find a way

1624
01:19:48,750 --> 01:19:45,400
of getting those guys you know the

1625
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:48,760
contactees to Devil's Tower and and that

1626
01:19:53,460 --> 01:19:51,130
and Jacques is into the paranormal as

1627
01:19:56,220 --> 01:19:53,470
you know he's into the dimensionality of

1628
01:19:58,710 --> 01:19:56,230
it he doesn't think it's just e t--'s he

1629
01:20:02,729 --> 01:19:58,720
thinks it's a whole series of things

1630
01:20:04,979 --> 01:20:02,739
that contact us and he's really into the

1631
01:20:07,140 --> 01:20:04,989
consciousness part of it he and he gave

1632
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:07,150
the suggestion to Spielberg

1633
01:20:11,130 --> 01:20:09,520
to have the ESP thing where you know

1634
01:20:13,860 --> 01:20:11,140
where they're making the mashed potatoes

1635
01:20:16,770 --> 01:20:13,870
they're drawing it that in the shape of

1636
01:20:19,860 --> 01:20:16,780
Devil's Tower its messages that we learn

1637
01:20:22,380 --> 01:20:19,870
later on are given to people or what you

1638
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:22,390
want to call downloads are given to

1639
01:20:29,490 --> 01:20:24,370
people to do certain things and that was

1640
01:20:31,290 --> 01:20:29,500
Jack's idea and then Allen told me that

1641
01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:31,300
was like Blue Book stuff you know the

1642
01:20:36,990 --> 01:20:33,280
landing for me is like the Holliman

1643
01:20:39,500 --> 01:20:37,000
landing and he knew that the government

1644
01:20:44,310 --> 01:20:39,510
wanted to have these kinds of encounters

1645
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:44,320
but the the real you know background of

1646
01:20:49,710 --> 01:20:47,530
that is that is a series of things the

1647
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:49,720
finding of the ship in the desert the

1648
01:20:54,900 --> 01:20:51,850
taking away of the military men and

1649
01:20:59,310 --> 01:20:54,910
bringing them back the Foo Fighters it's

1650
01:21:03,110 --> 01:20:59,320
it's it's like a hodgepodge of things

1651
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:03,120
from Blue Book I think valets an alien I

1652
01:21:09,900 --> 01:21:06,370
think he is one of the most fascinating

1653
01:21:13,260 --> 01:21:09,910
people I have ever met and one of the

1654
01:21:17,340 --> 01:21:13,270
kindest most he reminds me a lot of John

1655
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:17,350
Mac my love - my love I loved John Mac

1656
01:21:24,900 --> 01:21:20,290
he's got some pretty insane eyes Jacques

1657
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:24,910
that way yeah but the thing is that he

1658
01:21:31,470 --> 01:21:27,970
he liked John Mac is very open-minded

1659
01:21:33,810 --> 01:21:31,480
he's very kind he's very open-minded

1660
01:21:36,290 --> 01:21:33,820
he's not judgment he has his own

1661
01:21:40,020 --> 01:21:36,300
opinions there's no doubt about that but

1662
01:21:43,029 --> 01:21:40,030
he's not cruel about it he's not

1663
01:21:46,209 --> 01:21:43,039
dogmatic about it he's

1664
01:21:48,580 --> 01:21:46,219
open-minded man and and I'm interested

1665
01:21:50,169 --> 01:21:48,590
now in the consciousness component I'm

1666
01:21:52,859 --> 01:21:50,179
going to tell you that I went from nuts

1667
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:52,869
and bolts putting pins and maps to the

1668
01:21:57,370 --> 01:21:55,489
graduate school of all lists which is

1669
01:22:00,640 --> 01:21:57,380
the evolution of human consciousness

1670
01:22:03,819 --> 01:22:00,650
yeah and let's talk about that for a

1671
01:22:06,970 --> 01:22:03,829
minute because I'm I'm I'm getting there

1672
01:22:10,930 --> 01:22:06,980
to myself for my own personal

1673
01:22:14,500 --> 01:22:10,940
experiences and the nuts and bolts side

1674
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:14,510
of things which I'm still you know that

1675
01:22:18,970 --> 01:22:16,489
happens and it occurs and I've seen some

1676
01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:18,980
things but there's something else that

1677
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:24,800
is going on with the interdimensional

1678
01:22:30,759 --> 01:22:28,960
also the direct connection to ourselves

1679
01:22:32,740 --> 01:22:30,769
where I think there are some

1680
01:22:36,220 --> 01:22:32,750
communication and I think that there's a

1681
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:36,230
consciousness component to this what has

1682
01:22:42,910 --> 01:22:41,210
led you in that direction well because I

1683
01:22:44,290 --> 01:22:42,920
did all the nuts in both part I mean in

1684
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:44,300
the beginning you could even talk to me

1685
01:22:48,939 --> 01:22:46,130
about what was inside the craft I didn't

1686
01:22:51,129 --> 01:22:48,949
care I was just doing the you know the

1687
01:22:55,149 --> 01:22:51,139
work I was doing the nuts and bolts work

1688
01:22:58,359 --> 01:22:55,159
it wasn't until it wasn't until I was

1689
01:23:02,229 --> 01:22:58,369
ready that I in Europe that I met

1690
01:23:04,779 --> 01:23:02,239
contactees in Europe dealing with some

1691
01:23:09,129 --> 01:23:04,789
in Italian cases that I people don't

1692
01:23:12,129 --> 01:23:09,139
know about and it wasn't until I

1693
01:23:15,310 --> 01:23:12,139
realized that the parent what we call a

1694
01:23:18,220 --> 01:23:15,320
paranormal what we call the agenda of

1695
01:23:20,140 --> 01:23:18,230
the visitations I always say look I've

1696
01:23:22,660 --> 01:23:20,150
interviewed so many people and this has

1697
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:22,670
to do has a nuclear component to that

1698
01:23:28,899 --> 01:23:25,610
most of the sightings and most of the

1699
01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:28,909
pilots I interviewed John shell debauch

1700
01:23:33,399 --> 01:23:31,280
of Air France I've interviewed so even

1701
01:23:34,810 --> 01:23:33,409
the Stephenville case had had a nuclear

1702
01:23:38,620 --> 01:23:34,820
code there was a nuclear power plant

1703
01:23:41,410 --> 01:23:38,630
there there you know I notice that

1704
01:23:43,660 --> 01:23:41,420
there's an agenda and the agenda has to

1705
01:23:46,810 --> 01:23:43,670
do with wake up people

1706
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:46,820
you have exploded the atomic bomb in

1707
01:23:53,770 --> 01:23:50,449
1945 it has caused you guys to play a

1708
01:23:56,660 --> 01:23:53,780
game of chess we are all all the nations

1709
01:23:59,390 --> 01:23:56,670
are in checkmate because of somebody

1710
01:24:03,440 --> 01:23:59,400
move the piece we have to retaliate and

1711
01:24:06,440 --> 01:24:03,450
it's game over it's game over and so we

1712
01:24:08,660 --> 01:24:06,450
are at a point in history and this is

1713
01:24:12,220 --> 01:24:08,670
what was told to Adamski which really

1714
01:24:15,770 --> 01:24:12,230
really though studying a demske major

1715
01:24:17,900 --> 01:24:15,780
George Van Tassel or fail Angelou key

1716
01:24:21,470 --> 01:24:17,910
studying the 50s gave me the clue that

1717
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:21,480
there in the circle of history there are

1718
01:24:27,530 --> 01:24:23,850
certain times we can change things and

1719
01:24:30,380 --> 01:24:27,540
in the 1950s we could have gone from a

1720
01:24:33,980 --> 01:24:30,390
war economy as Adamski was told to a

1721
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:33,990
space economy made a lot of money had

1722
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:36,960
gone to meet our cosmic neighbors but we

1723
01:24:42,440 --> 01:24:39,570
had already started the war economy with

1724
01:24:44,180 --> 01:24:42,450
the Industrial Complex and that would

1725
01:24:46,010 --> 01:24:44,190
mean that you'd have to create the wars

1726
01:24:49,190 --> 01:24:46,020
to keep the economy going

1727
01:24:52,460 --> 01:24:49,200
now that's darn serious so the beings

1728
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:52,470
are going okay well how are these people

1729
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:54,090
going to make it you know are they going

1730
01:24:58,970 --> 01:24:56,370
to survive if they're playing a chess

1731
01:25:01,600 --> 01:24:58,980
game and so that brings cook up

1732
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:01,610
consciousness that brings up

1733
01:25:06,890 --> 01:25:04,530
responsibility that brings up what do we

1734
01:25:08,810 --> 01:25:06,900
get wired were you there here what what

1735
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:08,820
is our role and I remember the great

1736
01:25:15,250 --> 01:25:12,000
Robert Dean whom I love dearly used to

1737
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:15,260
say it's not about them it's about us

1738
01:25:22,700 --> 01:25:17,520
and we have to look at it that way

1739
01:25:25,850 --> 01:25:22,710
because the other civilizations that are

1740
01:25:27,230 --> 01:25:25,860
out there in our Milky Way we can talk

1741
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:27,240
about the universe but let's just talk

1742
01:25:35,780 --> 01:25:30,810
about our Milky Way that the only way

1743
01:25:39,490 --> 01:25:35,790
that they can evolve is to get out of a

1744
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:39,500
war mentality they they raise themselves

1745
01:25:44,060 --> 01:25:41,760
to another consciousness and they

1746
01:25:46,130 --> 01:25:44,070
understand things or what's the

1747
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:46,140
alternative they're not going to survive

1748
01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:50,010
and so they have gone through they have

1749
01:25:54,650 --> 01:25:52,320
to have gone through the exact same

1750
01:25:56,810 --> 01:25:54,660
things and experiences that we are

1751
01:25:59,330 --> 01:25:56,820
dealing with right now on this planet

1752
01:26:01,340 --> 01:25:59,340
and they would have to be concerned for

1753
01:26:04,670 --> 01:26:01,350
the very survival of the Milky Way or

1754
01:26:06,650 --> 01:26:04,680
are we just going to disappear or are we

1755
01:26:09,810 --> 01:26:06,660
going to evolve and that's the way that

1756
01:26:11,580 --> 01:26:09,820
I look at it Paula well you know I'm so

1757
01:26:13,500 --> 01:26:11,590
have this conversation with you because

1758
01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:13,510
this conversation is a grad school

1759
01:26:19,410 --> 01:26:16,960
conversation I look at it this way too

1760
01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:19,420
because of the lot of the contact the

1761
01:26:22,740 --> 01:26:21,520
people have specially in South America

1762
01:26:24,420 --> 01:26:22,750
there are a lot of them are time

1763
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:24,430
travelers and what they're saying is

1764
01:26:29,550 --> 01:26:27,760
this we come from a place where we have

1765
01:26:31,100 --> 01:26:29,560
a collective consciousness in other

1766
01:26:34,140 --> 01:26:31,110
words we do what's good for everybody

1767
01:26:36,500 --> 01:26:34,150
you guys have a singular consciousness

1768
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:36,510
you do what's good for number one and

1769
01:26:42,270 --> 01:26:39,610
there was a famous teacher that came to

1770
01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:42,280
this earth that tried to get us on a

1771
01:26:46,020 --> 01:26:44,080
collective consciousness and he said

1772
01:26:48,780 --> 01:26:46,030
don't do to others which you don't want

1773
01:26:50,940 --> 01:26:48,790
them to do to you very simple message

1774
01:26:54,570 --> 01:26:50,950
from Christ who came to this earth

1775
01:26:56,070 --> 01:26:54,580
saying you know to you know love your

1776
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:56,080
neighbor as yourself I mean if you're

1777
01:26:59,370 --> 01:26:57,130
gonna love your neighbor you're not

1778
01:27:01,290 --> 01:26:59,380
gonna rape him kill him murder him you

1779
01:27:05,730 --> 01:27:01,300
know and try to take advantage of him

1780
01:27:07,740 --> 01:27:05,740
that is a collective consciousness and

1781
01:27:10,050 --> 01:27:07,750
if we get out of the religious angle of

1782
01:27:12,540 --> 01:27:10,060
it just the philosophy of it if the

1783
01:27:14,940 --> 01:27:12,550
collective consciousness sure it's been

1784
01:27:18,030 --> 01:27:14,950
it's been given to us we were given that

1785
01:27:20,220 --> 01:27:18,040
gift we were given that gift whether we

1786
01:27:23,550 --> 01:27:20,230
did anything with it is another story

1787
01:27:25,650 --> 01:27:23,560
they're watching because you know in the

1788
01:27:28,290 --> 01:27:25,660
messages from Latin America is that were

1789
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:28,300
we're all related that somehow this

1790
01:27:33,090 --> 01:27:30,850
planet was seeded with all kinds of

1791
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:33,100
different kinds of people from different

1792
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:36,730
places from so forth in that whatever

1793
01:27:42,540 --> 01:27:39,850
happens to us it affects them especially

1794
01:27:46,050 --> 01:27:42,550
when we deal with with you know

1795
01:27:49,020 --> 01:27:46,060
exploding an atomic bomb and all the

1796
01:27:50,580 --> 01:27:49,030
other tests that we've done so the the

1797
01:27:54,780 --> 01:27:50,590
thing is that there's very interesting

1798
01:27:58,290 --> 01:27:54,790
on a sociological level on a scientific

1799
01:27:59,880 --> 01:27:58,300
level on a philosophical level and this

1800
01:28:02,100 --> 01:27:59,890
subject instead of being great

1801
01:28:03,030 --> 01:28:02,110
entertainment on Internet should be in a

1802
01:28:07,310 --> 01:28:03,040
university

1803
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:12,350
[Laughter]

1804
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:14,790
our guest tonight Paula Harris

1805
01:28:18,030 --> 01:28:16,690
and when we come back fascinating

1806
01:28:21,060 --> 01:28:18,040
conversation when we come back we are

1807
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:21,070
gonna talk about ufology around the

1808
01:28:23,970 --> 01:28:22,690
world and we're gonna talk about Latin

1809
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:23,980
America it's fascinating

1810
01:28:27,660 --> 01:28:26,290
I'm your host Jimmy church this is fade

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01:28:28,020 --> 01:28:27,670
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1812
01:28:28,610 --> 01:28:28,030
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listening to Jaime Church this is a

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welcome back fade to black I'm here to

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meet search I guess and I Paula Harris

1894
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tomorrow night open lines all night long

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Friday I will be at the NAB Show in

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Anaheim Saturday I'll be over hosting

1897
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:19,900
coast to coast am that is my week Sunday

1898
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I'll be sleeping Monday I'm back here on

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fade to black to kick off another week

1900
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:27,640
no rest here appalled in the

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01:33:35,910 --> 01:33:33,130
entertainment side of things I am a

1902
01:33:39,090 --> 01:33:35,920
vitamin addict I'm a Biden oh you have

1903
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:39,100
to you know what I do everyday I don't

1904
01:33:44,220 --> 01:33:40,930
want to get off on some crazy tangent

1905
01:33:48,150 --> 01:33:44,230
but I do i do moringa I do pine bark I

1906
01:33:53,010 --> 01:33:48,160
do olive leaf extract I do vitamin C I

1907
01:33:55,530 --> 01:33:53,020
do CBD all every single day it's changed

1908
01:33:59,730 --> 01:33:55,540
my life and compared to what I was like

1909
01:34:02,310 --> 01:33:59,740
a few years ago it's supplements and and

1910
01:34:05,430 --> 01:34:02,320
taking them correctly will change you I

1911
01:34:08,490 --> 01:34:05,440
I drink a lot of cleansing teas life

1912
01:34:11,970 --> 01:34:08,500
change tea I drink that and it's it's a

1913
01:34:14,070 --> 01:34:11,980
necessity as you get up there 55 you

1914
01:34:16,110 --> 01:34:14,080
know and yeah well I think it's

1915
01:34:18,630 --> 01:34:16,120
important because I mean we need these

1916
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:18,640
things and we're like you know cars that

1917
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:21,850
need gasoline and get and keep going you

1918
01:34:28,890 --> 01:34:25,330
know you have to and we just like

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01:34:30,690 --> 01:34:28,900
yourself we work 24 hours a day seven

1920
01:34:34,980 --> 01:34:30,700
days a week we don't take days off we

1921
01:34:37,710 --> 01:34:34,990
can't and when you I've been doing this

1922
01:34:39,390 --> 01:34:37,720
now for so many years I'm five years on

1923
01:34:43,140 --> 01:34:39,400
coasts right that's that's a crazy

1924
01:34:45,420 --> 01:34:43,150
concept to bring into play plus all the

1925
01:34:49,590 --> 01:34:45,430
television and all of the radio that

1926
01:34:51,780 --> 01:34:49,600
there is no rest and the only way that

1927
01:34:53,730 --> 01:34:51,790
you can take care of yourself is a

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01:34:54,870 --> 01:34:53,740
supplement so that's the that's that's

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01:34:59,370 --> 01:34:54,880
it you

1930
01:35:01,050 --> 01:34:59,380
your body will revolt supplements are

1931
01:35:03,330 --> 01:35:01,060
them take a walk once in a while I think

1932
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:03,340
you have to move your body at a certain

1933
01:35:09,420 --> 01:35:06,970
age I think it's very important to do

1934
01:35:11,190 --> 01:35:09,430
that and you know people say to me well

1935
01:35:12,990 --> 01:35:11,200
the question everybody in the world is

1936
01:35:13,569 --> 01:35:13,000
is I do you think there's disclosure I

1937
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:13,579
feel

1938
01:35:18,069 --> 01:35:15,650
saying will you listen to shows like

1939
01:35:20,140 --> 01:35:18,079
this and you listen to people that are

1940
01:35:22,930 --> 01:35:20,150
credible and especially if they've

1941
01:35:23,799 --> 01:35:22,940
written a book and you're a studious

1942
01:35:25,510 --> 01:35:23,809
person

1943
01:35:27,430 --> 01:35:25,520
this is disclosure I don't know what

1944
01:35:30,910 --> 01:35:27,440
else you want that's right no you're

1945
01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:30,920
100% correct and there's another aspect

1946
01:35:36,310 --> 01:35:33,170
to this that I've been very troubled

1947
01:35:39,850 --> 01:35:36,320
with over the years and this goes back a

1948
01:35:42,790 --> 01:35:39,860
long ways when we start to look at the

1949
01:35:46,899 --> 01:35:42,800
way that Chile or Argentina or Brazil

1950
01:35:49,810 --> 01:35:46,909
and and even Mexico was looking at the

1951
01:35:51,819 --> 01:35:49,820
UFO subject as a government and taking

1952
01:35:54,879 --> 01:35:51,829
it very very serious and I would look at

1953
01:35:58,870 --> 01:35:54,889
the United States and go why do we have

1954
01:36:02,229 --> 01:35:58,880
this difference in attitude and it's

1955
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:02,239
it's so free and out in the open but

1956
01:36:07,209 --> 01:36:06,170
when you go south why is that well

1957
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:07,219
because they're not looking for the

1958
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:10,250
propulsion system I mean you know to be

1959
01:36:16,180 --> 01:36:12,770
clear about this I had to do a lot of

1960
01:36:18,220 --> 01:36:16,190
research of the 1950s the 1950s and 60s

1961
01:36:21,010 --> 01:36:18,230
I had to go back there to see what was

1962
01:36:24,669 --> 01:36:21,020
going on because if you look at this in

1963
01:36:26,229 --> 01:36:24,679
a sociological way the 60s and 70s was

1964
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:26,239
the jump start of the New Age movement

1965
01:36:35,319 --> 01:36:31,010
and somebody jump-started that the fact

1966
01:36:38,530 --> 01:36:35,329
that Scientology l ron hubbard asked all

1967
01:36:41,319 --> 01:36:38,540
that stuff came out and if you start

1968
01:36:44,740 --> 01:36:41,329
looking at Murray Geller the Council of

1969
01:36:47,260 --> 01:36:44,750
nine Salish Limor andreia Paul Harwich

1970
01:36:49,330 --> 01:36:47,270
the fact that I mean I started studying

1971
01:36:51,700 --> 01:36:49,340
it like a teacher like a master's degree

1972
01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:51,710
in this thing I started looking his

1973
01:36:56,620 --> 01:36:54,290
background of rotten berry who was

1974
01:36:59,439 --> 01:36:56,630
involved with fellow Schlemmer and

1975
01:37:03,629 --> 01:36:59,449
andraia Polara chu worked for the CIA at

1976
01:37:06,970 --> 01:37:03,639
that time with the psychic stuff at s RI

1977
01:37:09,549 --> 01:37:06,980
somewhere in there in in Phil's flamers

1978
01:37:12,700 --> 01:37:09,559
book here is gene roddenberry channeling

1979
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:12,710
asking questions of ETS and getting

1980
01:37:18,010 --> 01:37:15,290
downloads and then we have Star Trek and

1981
01:37:21,220 --> 01:37:18,020
then we have Yogananda at this time and

1982
01:37:24,459 --> 01:37:21,230
then we have the change in our attitudes

1983
01:37:27,220 --> 01:37:24,469
of society in the start looking at the

1984
01:37:29,410 --> 01:37:27,230
whole New Age situation which I think

1985
01:37:31,150 --> 01:37:29,420
was a jumpstart to try to get to

1986
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:31,160
consciousness of course it went

1987
01:37:36,010 --> 01:37:32,930
commercial like everything else on this

1988
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:36,020
planet but and I had to go back to the

1989
01:37:41,380 --> 01:37:38,930
50s and 60s to the contact he's back

1990
01:37:43,570 --> 01:37:41,390
there to see what they were saying what

1991
01:37:46,300 --> 01:37:43,580
the messages were what what the

1992
01:37:49,300 --> 01:37:46,310
downloads were do you realize that there

1993
01:37:51,700 --> 01:37:49,310
was like 15,000 people a giant rock I do

1994
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:51,710
I mean they came from all over out there

1995
01:37:57,460 --> 01:37:54,650
and they had sightings and something was

1996
01:38:00,040 --> 01:37:57,470
going on and then we have 1960 with the

1997
01:38:02,350 --> 01:38:00,050
Betty and Barney Hill case and the

1998
01:38:06,370 --> 01:38:02,360
abduction scenario which is to this day

1999
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:06,380
the only image of our ufology the only

2000
01:38:10,060 --> 01:38:07,810
image whether they go to South America

2001
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:10,070
because they don't talk about little

2002
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:12,410
gray aliens there are actual people

2003
01:38:17,290 --> 01:38:15,290
coming off ships those people who are

2004
01:38:20,290 --> 01:38:17,300
coming off the ships in the 1950s and

2005
01:38:22,930 --> 01:38:20,300
60s realized it was a lost cause here

2006
01:38:25,510 --> 01:38:22,940
because the interest wasn't in the craft

2007
01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:25,520
the propulsion system like it is today

2008
01:38:31,270 --> 01:38:28,400
with to the Stars Academy stuff you know

2009
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:31,280
to back engineer stuff and they're going

2010
01:38:35,140 --> 01:38:32,930
well these people you know we can't get

2011
01:38:38,500 --> 01:38:35,150
very far for doing consciousness study

2012
01:38:40,690 --> 01:38:38,510
so we better go to to a place where you

2013
01:38:42,550 --> 01:38:40,700
can go up to people there you know it's

2014
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:42,560
a heart-to-heart connection the heart

2015
01:38:48,220 --> 01:38:44,690
chakra I don't think you have anything

2016
01:38:50,140 --> 01:38:48,230
in common with an alien or a being from

2017
01:38:53,110 --> 01:38:50,150
another place or another dimension

2018
01:38:54,910 --> 01:38:53,120
except consciousness there they're alive

2019
01:38:58,270 --> 01:38:54,920
and you're alive and you have a heart

2020
01:39:00,370 --> 01:38:58,280
and hopefully they have some kind of you

2021
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:00,380
know connection to you I don't think you

2022
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:03,170
could intellectually exchange anything

2023
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:06,890
with these beings so the South Americans

2024
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:08,930
and especially Peru and I'm going to

2025
01:39:16,300 --> 01:39:13,330
Peru in may with Ricardo Gonzalez two

2026
01:39:19,330 --> 01:39:16,310
things happened in Latin America in Peru

2027
01:39:22,240 --> 01:39:19,340
where these beings that said they came

2028
01:39:24,850 --> 01:39:22,250
from the constellation of Alpha Centauri

2029
01:39:27,430 --> 01:39:24,860
we're interacting with the peasants and

2030
01:39:30,490 --> 01:39:27,440
they would they there were ten foot tall

2031
01:39:32,710 --> 01:39:30,500
people there's a documentation all over

2032
01:39:35,290 --> 01:39:32,720
the place they were interacting with the

2033
01:39:36,370 --> 01:39:35,300
peasants near a mountain called the wass

2034
01:39:38,350 --> 01:39:36,380
Quran

2035
01:39:40,300 --> 01:39:38,360
and I want to talk to the peasants I

2036
01:39:42,250 --> 01:39:40,310
want to talk to the people I want to

2037
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:42,260
know what these beings were saying

2038
01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:44,570
they're people there they come from they

2039
01:39:49,570 --> 01:39:46,250
said they were time travelers with a

2040
01:39:50,830 --> 01:39:49,580
message and I want to know and uh yeah

2041
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:50,840
but I have to go to the place where

2042
01:39:56,410 --> 01:39:53,690
they're talking to the people they say

2043
01:39:59,230 --> 01:39:56,420
they have a base in that mountain as

2044
01:40:01,240 --> 01:39:59,240
there is a base in Shasta you know all

2045
01:40:04,660 --> 01:40:01,250
the stuff that happens a chest is not an

2046
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:04,670
accident so in order for me to do that I

2047
01:40:09,130 --> 01:40:06,170
can't sit in my living room

2048
01:40:13,450 --> 01:40:09,140
I can't look on internet I got a travel

2049
01:40:16,210 --> 01:40:13,460
and and travel is part of my my am and

2050
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:16,220
it's all on my own dime that's that's

2051
01:40:20,230 --> 01:40:18,530
really that's I think that's why I don't

2052
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:20,240
have a significant other he'd never

2053
01:40:24,810 --> 01:40:22,010
approve of all the money that goes out

2054
01:40:28,780 --> 01:40:24,820
on this research never

2055
01:40:30,670 --> 01:40:28,790
but I want to know and in Latin America

2056
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:30,680
has contact

2057
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:33,650
I interviewed see still Paz Wells his

2058
01:40:39,340 --> 01:40:35,930
brother Charlie who has transgendered

2059
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:39,350
into Veronica Paz Wells I drove 3,000

2060
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:42,410
miles to Toronto to talk to her and she

2061
01:40:48,610 --> 01:40:45,770
told me that six so pause and and and

2062
01:40:50,470 --> 01:40:48,620
her brother see so and six or seven

2063
01:40:53,590 --> 01:40:50,480
young people went to the chilka desert

2064
01:40:57,730 --> 01:40:53,600
in 1970 the craft lands and asked them

2065
01:41:01,360 --> 01:40:57,740
to come inside people there are people

2066
01:41:03,610 --> 01:41:01,370
people and I mean she's verifying her

2067
01:41:06,970 --> 01:41:03,620
brother's story and then she tells me

2068
01:41:08,950 --> 01:41:06,980
that she has contact in the forest in

2069
01:41:11,710 --> 01:41:08,960
Canada with these beings and she brings

2070
01:41:14,590 --> 01:41:11,720
witnesses and and she brought the

2071
01:41:16,990 --> 01:41:14,600
witnesses of the beings coming down off

2072
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:17,000
the hill to talk to her and I'm going

2073
01:41:21,700 --> 01:41:19,610
people should know about this wait wait

2074
01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:21,710
wait wait wait all right so let's let's

2075
01:41:27,220 --> 01:41:23,600
hold on here for a second I have not

2076
01:41:28,780 --> 01:41:27,230
heard about this this case so much you

2077
01:41:34,330 --> 01:41:28,790
can go on my youtube because the

2078
01:41:38,620 --> 01:41:34,340
interviews are on my youtube tell me

2079
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:38,630
okay so he drove to Toronto okay where

2080
01:41:45,790 --> 01:41:42,530
where was their original contact in 1917

2081
01:41:50,149 --> 01:41:45,800
chica in Peru all this stuff is out of

2082
01:41:53,659 --> 01:41:50,159
Peru and so she

2083
01:41:56,959 --> 01:41:53,669
1970s now we're in 1970s with these cut

2084
01:42:00,469 --> 01:41:56,969
mass contacts in Peru and she is saying

2085
01:42:03,169 --> 01:42:00,479
that a craft landed and and beings came

2086
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:03,179
out invited them on to the craft yeah

2087
01:42:07,399 --> 01:42:05,760
and there and there were young boys but

2088
01:42:10,250 --> 01:42:07,409
you know how they did it I mean you have

2089
01:42:13,310 --> 01:42:10,260
to look at the mentality there they they

2090
01:42:15,799 --> 01:42:13,320
it was automatic writing she started to

2091
01:42:18,199 --> 01:42:15,809
automatic right right they gave them the

2092
01:42:20,929 --> 01:42:18,209
coordinates of where to go they camp for

2093
01:42:23,239 --> 01:42:20,939
three days they fasted they just juiced

2094
01:42:24,350 --> 01:42:23,249
they didn't eat this is one thing

2095
01:42:26,929 --> 01:42:24,360
because I've done some of these

2096
01:42:30,169 --> 01:42:26,939
meditations with in Argentina with these

2097
01:42:32,779 --> 01:42:30,179
people and fasting is part of it or just

2098
01:42:36,649 --> 01:42:32,789
eating fruit and fasting and then they

2099
01:42:40,729 --> 01:42:36,659
get the the messages of where to be the

2100
01:42:43,339 --> 01:42:40,739
craft lands and in the 1970s these and I

2101
01:42:44,839 --> 01:42:43,349
think there were eight boys you know

2102
01:42:47,239 --> 01:42:44,849
were invited aboard and they

2103
01:42:49,310 --> 01:42:47,249
consequently became contactees in Latin

2104
01:42:51,859 --> 01:42:49,320
America in the Latin American nose see

2105
01:42:55,339 --> 01:42:51,869
still paws wells Lewis mustachio

2106
01:42:58,029 --> 01:42:55,349
Ricardo Gonzalez and and Veronica Paz

2107
01:43:01,640 --> 01:42:58,039
wells these are people that have had

2108
01:43:06,679 --> 01:43:01,650
face-to-face contact with beings all in

2109
01:43:08,899 --> 01:43:06,689
the Peru area and so you know you have

2110
01:43:10,699 --> 01:43:08,909
to study this but I've spoken to all of

2111
01:43:13,819 --> 01:43:10,709
them with an interpreter because they

2112
01:43:16,149 --> 01:43:13,829
don't speak Spanish and have done all

2113
01:43:19,879 --> 01:43:16,159
the work in the in the word-for-word

2114
01:43:23,060 --> 01:43:19,889
interviews for people that do read is in

2115
01:43:25,549 --> 01:43:23,070
all the above and beyond in the last 150

2116
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:25,559
pages of the book there and go to my

2117
01:43:32,359 --> 01:43:28,130
youtube channel and listen deceased Oh

2118
01:43:35,870 --> 01:43:32,369
Ricardo and Veronica Paz wells tell the

2119
01:43:38,089 --> 01:43:35,880
story of what happened in the 70s so

2120
01:43:41,330 --> 01:43:38,099
because I'm a historian I'm looking at

2121
01:43:44,330 --> 01:43:41,340
the timeline the 50s and 60s Southern

2122
01:43:47,239 --> 01:43:44,340
California the New Age movement all of

2123
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:47,249
that stuff at Fri that didn't work out

2124
01:43:53,629 --> 01:43:50,090
very well they went to Latin America and

2125
01:43:56,439 --> 01:43:53,639
the contacts are happening there we are

2126
01:43:58,969 --> 01:43:56,449
stuck in the alien abduction scenario

2127
01:44:00,500 --> 01:43:58,979
from the Betty and Barney Hill case and

2128
01:44:03,500 --> 01:44:00,510
haven't moved off that because nobody

2129
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:03,510
talks about human type aliens the

2130
01:44:09,650 --> 01:44:05,610
bass that is in the mountains is this

2131
01:44:11,330 --> 01:44:09,660
still active I we don't know I just want

2132
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:11,340
to go where it happened I know the

2133
01:44:14,690 --> 01:44:13,050
stories and then the peasants there I

2134
01:44:17,930 --> 01:44:14,700
have to listen to what they have to say

2135
01:44:20,030 --> 01:44:17,940
i dot peasants but they're the farmers

2136
01:44:23,300 --> 01:44:20,040
the the common people in the little

2137
01:44:26,030 --> 01:44:23,310
villages so I'm I'm going in May with a

2138
01:44:28,729 --> 01:44:26,040
film crew from Canada and with Ricardo

2139
01:44:30,740 --> 01:44:28,739
and some other people and and just I

2140
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:30,750
want to know I want that I want to get

2141
01:44:35,150 --> 01:44:32,370
it from the source

2142
01:44:37,340 --> 01:44:35,160
what they have to say about about the

2143
01:44:39,410 --> 01:44:37,350
opinions the book if people are

2144
01:44:42,110 --> 01:44:39,420
interested in these contacts are called

2145
01:44:44,660 --> 01:44:42,120
contacts from opera by Ricardo Gonzalez

2146
01:44:48,310 --> 01:44:44,670
I've had the book translated into

2147
01:44:53,540 --> 01:44:48,320
English so they can get it on Amazon

2148
01:44:56,750 --> 01:44:53,550
consequently in Italy in 1953 we had a

2149
01:44:59,630 --> 01:44:56,760
situation in Pescara where we have some

2150
01:45:01,520 --> 01:44:59,640
human type beings interact with it's ten

2151
01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:01,530
Italians and that's the famous

2152
01:45:07,160 --> 01:45:04,410
friendship or mheg case and I've

2153
01:45:09,890 --> 01:45:07,170
interviewed those people also this

2154
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:09,900
happened on the coast of the Adriatic

2155
01:45:15,770 --> 01:45:12,810
coast so these are foreign stories that

2156
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:15,780
you can read if you read the books if

2157
01:45:21,610 --> 01:45:18,330
you follow my work otherwise you're

2158
01:45:24,500 --> 01:45:21,620
stuck with what you get on internet and

2159
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:24,510
somebody brought up the friendship case

2160
01:45:29,420 --> 01:45:27,210
earlier I watched you know the

2161
01:45:32,030 --> 01:45:29,430
documentaries that have been out on the

2162
01:45:34,100 --> 01:45:32,040
case but it's a pretty extraordinary

2163
01:45:36,670 --> 01:45:34,110
case and one that doesn't get the

2164
01:45:41,960 --> 01:45:36,680
recognition and apology that it should

2165
01:45:44,690 --> 01:45:41,970
because of abductions a group of ETS

2166
01:45:47,240 --> 01:45:44,700
that they call the W 56 is that wanted

2167
01:45:51,380 --> 01:45:47,250
to try to live with humans and they had

2168
01:45:55,340 --> 01:45:51,390
a technology called radar and they said

2169
01:45:57,500 --> 01:45:55,350
to the ten Italians of men and women

2170
01:45:59,500 --> 01:45:57,510
they said we don't tell anybody where we

2171
01:46:03,110 --> 01:45:59,510
are they were in look appear in a castle

2172
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:03,120
near Pescara but we will stay with you

2173
01:46:08,630 --> 01:46:05,970
as long as you guys don't fight if you

2174
01:46:11,930 --> 01:46:08,640
maintain what's called harmony and they

2175
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:11,940
lasted ten years and then the humans

2176
01:46:16,439 --> 01:46:14,170
started fighting among each other

2177
01:46:18,540 --> 01:46:16,449
went last year to Lake Como you know

2178
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:18,550
that's where George Clooney lives and

2179
01:46:23,850 --> 01:46:21,370
talked to it is the 95 year old man who

2180
01:46:26,580 --> 01:46:23,860
and his wife who participated in this

2181
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:26,590
and as I'm sitting there and I'm hot

2182
01:46:30,990 --> 01:46:28,330
they're talking to me about what they

2183
01:46:33,030 --> 01:46:31,000
live through and and how in seeing these

2184
01:46:35,790 --> 01:46:33,040
people by the way these people were

2185
01:46:38,850 --> 01:46:35,800
vegetarian so what had happened is even

2186
01:46:40,830 --> 01:46:38,860
though they lived on the earth the man

2187
01:46:43,830 --> 01:46:40,840
that was involved with them had to leave

2188
01:46:46,530 --> 01:46:43,840
huge truckloads of vegetables and fruits

2189
01:46:48,689 --> 01:46:46,540
to feed them because they lived among us

2190
01:46:52,110 --> 01:46:48,699
it's called the friendship case it's

2191
01:46:54,180 --> 01:46:52,120
very and the man that wrote the book

2192
01:46:57,300 --> 01:46:54,190
stephannie British I left me all the

2193
01:47:00,090 --> 01:46:57,310
materials including the voices the

2194
01:47:03,630 --> 01:47:00,100
voices of these ETS talking to the

2195
01:47:07,350 --> 01:47:03,640
Italians in Italian so I have the voices

2196
01:47:09,390 --> 01:47:07,360
I have it all on DVD I studied it I

2197
01:47:13,610 --> 01:47:09,400
talked to the the survived you know the

2198
01:47:17,790 --> 01:47:13,620
people that are still around and he's 92

2199
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:17,800
Gus putida Lama is 92 and his life is up

2200
01:47:24,870 --> 01:47:20,770
there and after all these years now

2201
01:47:28,650 --> 01:47:24,880
remember this is the 1950s right 1956

2202
01:47:30,930 --> 01:47:28,660
they call them w50 sixes the only person

2203
01:47:32,700 --> 01:47:30,940
to cover this who's a ufologist one of

2204
01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:32,710
the best in the world is Timothy good

2205
01:47:38,430 --> 01:47:36,130
and Timothy good is the only one that

2206
01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:38,440
travels around and talks to these people

2207
01:47:42,840 --> 01:47:40,690
he's talked to the South Americans he

2208
01:47:46,620 --> 01:47:42,850
talked to the Italians he's talked to

2209
01:47:48,620 --> 01:47:46,630
the French he talked to he's done he's

2210
01:47:52,979 --> 01:47:48,630
done his homework Timothy did is amazing

2211
01:47:54,900 --> 01:47:52,989
and so I can't name any other people

2212
01:47:57,000 --> 01:47:54,910
because it may be because of the

2213
01:48:00,750 --> 01:47:57,010
language barrier or whatever nobody

2214
01:48:05,100 --> 01:48:00,760
bothers to look into these cases now are

2215
01:48:07,830 --> 01:48:05,110
they the the W 56 now from what I

2216
01:48:11,100 --> 01:48:07,840
remember about the friendship case was

2217
01:48:12,300 --> 01:48:11,110
the contact lasted for 30 years

2218
01:48:15,630 --> 01:48:12,310
something like that

2219
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:15,640
well more like 10 15 they left the

2220
01:48:21,090 --> 01:48:19,090
actual database they had an underwater

2221
01:48:23,939 --> 01:48:21,100
base I think you know it's hard for me

2222
01:48:26,310 --> 01:48:23,949
to even fathom on the coast of Pescara

2223
01:48:27,780 --> 01:48:26,320
and I talked to the people there

2224
01:48:29,399 --> 01:48:27,790
where the fishermen refused to go out

2225
01:48:31,560 --> 01:48:29,409
because there was funnels of water

2226
01:48:35,580 --> 01:48:31,570
coming up and they were fishermen

2227
01:48:37,589 --> 01:48:35,590
refused to to go out there and fish but

2228
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:37,599
though they went away because the the

2229
01:48:41,609 --> 01:48:39,610
contactees the Americans not the

2230
01:48:44,100 --> 01:48:41,619
Americans the Italians couldn't get

2231
01:48:46,140 --> 01:48:44,110
along they started fighting and again if

2232
01:48:48,660 --> 01:48:46,150
they have a technology called harmony

2233
01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:48,670
and we you and I talked about the fact

2234
01:48:52,589 --> 01:48:50,170
that we have to change the way we think

2235
01:48:53,970 --> 01:48:52,599
and that we can't have a war economy and

2236
01:48:56,220 --> 01:48:53,980
we have to have a cosmic cosmic

2237
01:48:58,439 --> 01:48:56,230
consciousness if they have the

2238
01:49:00,629 --> 01:48:58,449
technology of course they can't stay

2239
01:49:02,040 --> 01:49:00,639
with these with these Italians if

2240
01:49:05,069 --> 01:49:02,050
they're fighting among each other it's a

2241
01:49:09,149 --> 01:49:05,079
vibration is that why the contact ended

2242
01:49:11,459 --> 01:49:09,159
yes that's why the contact ended and and

2243
01:49:14,280 --> 01:49:11,469
I had them tell me they'd say well what

2244
01:49:16,979 --> 01:49:14,290
would happen is like to it you know two

2245
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:16,989
of these people would go out the

2246
01:49:20,910 --> 01:49:18,730
Italians and they and they'd have a

2247
01:49:23,100 --> 01:49:20,920
contact and the other two or the other

2248
01:49:25,770 --> 01:49:23,110
were jealous that they didn't get to go

2249
01:49:27,870 --> 01:49:25,780
they would argue among themselves and

2250
01:49:30,359 --> 01:49:27,880
how come you get contacted and I don't

2251
01:49:32,609 --> 01:49:30,369
get contact which is really what's going

2252
01:49:34,740 --> 01:49:32,619
on a lot in a lot of these cases with

2253
01:49:37,200 --> 01:49:34,750
conflict and jealousies and

2254
01:49:41,010 --> 01:49:37,210
misinformation and so forth that's out

2255
01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:41,020
there and but the lesson that the W 56

2256
01:49:48,270 --> 01:49:44,170
is left it was very very important they

2257
01:49:51,209 --> 01:49:48,280
want friendship with the humans whether

2258
01:49:54,300 --> 01:49:51,219
in the friendship case in the Pescara

2259
01:49:56,850 --> 01:49:54,310
area is very much like the friendship

2260
01:49:59,669 --> 01:49:56,860
case in Chile which happened in Chile

2261
01:50:02,280 --> 01:49:59,679
too and and we found out that these

2262
01:50:05,790 --> 01:50:02,290
experiments with aliens living among us

2263
01:50:11,660 --> 01:50:05,800
they're happening all over the world now

2264
01:50:15,990 --> 01:50:11,670
the the friendship case the the base

2265
01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:16,000
again it's my memory right i but was was

2266
01:50:21,689 --> 01:50:18,250
offshore and was underwater

2267
01:50:25,290 --> 01:50:21,699
is it unoccupied now are you saying that

2268
01:50:27,089 --> 01:50:25,300
the w 56 split but they are no we're

2269
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:27,099
thinking about in our terms because I

2270
01:50:31,770 --> 01:50:28,690
couldn't understand that I did another

2271
01:50:34,020 --> 01:50:31,780
case on the other coast and the in Genoa

2272
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:34,030
where the Moishe kavadlo case where he

2273
01:50:38,669 --> 01:50:36,210
actually gave me Polaroids of the beings

2274
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:38,679
but the thing is that

2275
01:50:43,229 --> 01:50:41,290
what I can't understand he told me it

2276
01:50:45,990 --> 01:50:43,239
worked this way the water would open up

2277
01:50:48,330 --> 01:50:46,000
and there was another dimension and

2278
01:50:51,720 --> 01:50:48,340
that's where the car they the the the

2279
01:50:54,660 --> 01:50:51,730
base was my mind is always thinking

2280
01:50:57,419 --> 01:50:54,670
human type you know lol you that's water

2281
01:50:59,760 --> 01:50:57,429
of you can you live underwater and now

2282
01:51:01,320 --> 01:50:59,770
that they're talking dimensionality that

2283
01:51:03,860 --> 01:51:01,330
there are different dimensions

2284
01:51:06,899 --> 01:51:03,870
I guess people would call them portals

2285
01:51:10,140 --> 01:51:06,909
where the water opens up and there is an

2286
01:51:11,729 --> 01:51:10,150
active base under that water and I have

2287
01:51:14,729 --> 01:51:11,739
all kinds of stories that were told to

2288
01:51:17,010 --> 01:51:14,739
me about the Adriatic coast and UFOs

2289
01:51:20,870 --> 01:51:17,020
coming out of the water there and also

2290
01:51:24,149 --> 01:51:20,880
on the other side near Genoa so you know

2291
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:24,159
my expertise is that I have covered

2292
01:51:29,640 --> 01:51:26,530
stories all over the world in person and

2293
01:51:34,220 --> 01:51:29,650
then trying like you to figure this out

2294
01:51:35,610 --> 01:51:34,230
how many Italians humans I should say

2295
01:51:38,729 --> 01:51:35,620
Italians

2296
01:51:41,250 --> 01:51:38,739
how many were in contact with the W 56

2297
01:51:45,169 --> 01:51:41,260
how big was that group you saw the video

2298
01:51:47,910 --> 01:51:45,179
yes on YouTube the video is really clear

2299
01:51:49,830 --> 01:51:47,920
it's 10 they pick 10 but it wasn't just

2300
01:51:52,530 --> 01:51:49,840
the 10 it was also Cardinals of the

2301
01:51:54,570 --> 01:51:52,540
Vatican were involved Poncelet Pedigo

2302
01:51:57,479 --> 01:51:54,580
who's one of our biggest protagonists

2303
01:52:01,770 --> 01:51:57,489
during that time with contact he was a

2304
01:52:04,709 --> 01:52:01,780
council he lived from Rome there was all

2305
01:52:06,959 --> 01:52:04,719
kinds of you know elite people involved

2306
01:52:10,700 --> 01:52:06,969
in this case you know people you can

2307
01:52:14,520 --> 01:52:10,710
name that we're involved in this case so

2308
01:52:16,290 --> 01:52:14,530
it's it's very rich case and then you

2309
01:52:18,870 --> 01:52:16,300
can imagine how I felt going to Lake

2310
01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:18,880
Como and sitting there with the husband

2311
01:52:23,100 --> 01:52:20,770
and wife couple that actually interacted

2312
01:52:25,410 --> 01:52:23,110
so that what they told me was and this

2313
01:52:27,780 --> 01:52:25,420
is this is again the bottom line

2314
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:27,790
they showed me a piece of paper I have a

2315
01:52:34,399 --> 01:52:30,810
photograph of it the message is unite

2316
01:52:38,820 --> 01:52:34,409
this planet needs to unite to survive

2317
01:52:42,540 --> 01:52:38,830
which is the same message that mentor

2318
01:52:44,760 --> 01:52:42,550
got Van Tassel got in giant rock you

2319
01:52:47,790 --> 01:52:44,770
people the end of separation you better

2320
01:52:51,410 --> 01:52:47,800
unite so I'm looking at the United

2321
01:52:55,460 --> 01:52:51,420
States during the 50s and 60s and

2322
01:52:59,030 --> 01:52:55,470
it'll lead 56 and now how to go to South

2323
01:53:01,670 --> 01:52:59,040
America in the 70s and it's active still

2324
01:53:04,550 --> 01:53:01,680
Jimmy in South America

2325
01:53:07,820 --> 01:53:04,560
you mentioned that you got Polaroids of

2326
01:53:11,990 --> 01:53:07,830
the entities I remember one of those

2327
01:53:16,730 --> 01:53:12,000
Polaroids from the W 56 in the

2328
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:16,740
friendship case it was had a it was

2329
01:53:23,630 --> 01:53:20,010
almost an apparition the being was is

2330
01:53:25,610 --> 01:53:23,640
that is that what you have no the

2331
01:53:27,410 --> 01:53:25,620
Polaroids I have is from the marriage of

2332
01:53:29,660 --> 01:53:27,420
Kavala locates beyond the heavens that's

2333
01:53:30,920 --> 01:53:29,670
on the other coast and that's a long

2334
01:53:33,620 --> 01:53:30,930
story that's going to be part of my

2335
01:53:36,770 --> 01:53:33,630
presentation because those beings

2336
01:53:38,840 --> 01:53:36,780
predicted I would come to see him he let

2337
01:53:40,430 --> 01:53:38,850
me in the door because it was they said

2338
01:53:42,590 --> 01:53:40,440
an American journalist will be knocking

2339
01:53:45,470 --> 01:53:42,600
in your door they gave him the they gave

2340
01:53:48,860 --> 01:53:45,480
him the date and and he let me in and

2341
01:53:52,700 --> 01:53:48,870
gave me the Polaroids the 50 w 56

2342
01:53:55,730 --> 01:53:52,710
pictures are that tall 10 foot 10 foot

2343
01:53:57,650 --> 01:53:55,740
guy with the Hawaiian shirt yes that's

2344
01:53:59,540 --> 01:53:57,660
what I can yell yeah can yo I don't know

2345
01:54:02,840 --> 01:53:59,550
if you remember he's 10 foot tall I do

2346
01:54:05,450 --> 01:54:02,850
giant and then the apparition walking

2347
01:54:08,030 --> 01:54:05,460
down the street that's Aegis who's

2348
01:54:10,070 --> 01:54:08,040
walking with a human but but it looks

2349
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:10,080
like he's going in and out of dimensions

2350
01:54:14,510 --> 01:54:12,570
and that's he's going down the street

2351
01:54:17,540 --> 01:54:14,520
but what's amazing about that case is

2352
01:54:21,460 --> 01:54:17,550
all the UFOs that Guster did dilema

2353
01:54:24,620 --> 01:54:21,470
photographed real UFO pictures photos

2354
01:54:26,690 --> 01:54:24,630
from those days and UFOs coming out of

2355
01:54:30,260 --> 01:54:26,700
the water and those are photographs

2356
01:54:35,390 --> 01:54:30,270
black and white no CGI not everything is

2357
01:54:36,710 --> 01:54:35,400
CGI from that case it's the friendship

2358
01:54:40,370 --> 01:54:36,720
case blows my mind

2359
01:54:42,350 --> 01:54:40,380
I mean it it wasn't just one person or

2360
01:54:44,840 --> 01:54:42,360
two you know there was a it was a group

2361
01:54:47,120 --> 01:54:44,850
that made contact I do remember the

2362
01:54:49,940 --> 01:54:47,130
recordings and the conversations which

2363
01:54:53,660 --> 01:54:49,950
you have now that must be fascinating to

2364
01:54:57,340 --> 01:54:53,670
listen to but the case itself would just

2365
01:54:59,900 --> 01:54:57,350
didn't break like it should have it was

2366
01:55:01,280 --> 01:54:59,910
it was a tremendous case with with

2367
01:55:04,379 --> 01:55:01,290
evidence and trace evidence and

2368
01:55:07,379 --> 01:55:04,389
photographs and audio tapes and

2369
01:55:10,740 --> 01:55:07,389
and and testimony that that went on for

2370
01:55:13,740 --> 01:55:10,750
years it wasn't well there's a book that

2371
01:55:16,379 --> 01:55:13,750
Timothy good wrote called earth an alien

2372
01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:16,389
enterprise and it's in there but the

2373
01:55:19,410 --> 01:55:18,130
thing is this this is what I find and

2374
01:55:21,720 --> 01:55:19,420
I'm going to be honest with you nobody

2375
01:55:23,640 --> 01:55:21,730
wants to read nobody wants to study this

2376
01:55:25,979 --> 01:55:23,650
they want it quick and dirty it's

2377
01:55:28,709 --> 01:55:25,989
entertainment and nobody it looks at it

2378
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:28,719
seriously because they're we're really

2379
01:55:33,660 --> 01:55:31,690
it's you can give it to them I've

2380
01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:33,670
lectured all over the world on these

2381
01:55:37,770 --> 01:55:35,530
things and people just walk out like

2382
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they didn't hear it so I don't think

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that a lot of people care and it's okay

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01:55:47,729 --> 01:55:44,650
I mean it's fine but I my purpose

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01:55:49,830 --> 01:55:47,739
anymore is just to record it for history

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01:55:51,899 --> 01:55:49,840
I mean the only reason I do anything I

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do is to leave it for your children your

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01:55:55,890 --> 01:55:53,469
grandchildren your great-grandchildren

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01:55:58,020 --> 01:55:55,900
so somebody went and talked to the the

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01:56:00,060 --> 01:55:58,030
original people and you have the

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01:56:02,820 --> 01:56:00,070
original testimonies and that's called

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01:56:06,600 --> 01:56:02,830
the history of planet Earth somebody

2393
01:56:08,220 --> 01:56:06,610
just sent me the the the picture of the

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01:56:11,399 --> 01:56:08,230
entity that we're talking about on the

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01:56:14,490 --> 01:56:11,409
street and it just stirs my memory an

2396
01:56:16,830 --> 01:56:14,500
hour remember all of this and Wow

2397
01:56:19,890 --> 01:56:16,840
yeah the friendship case blew my mind it

2398
01:56:21,689 --> 01:56:19,900
was just what you see the thing is with

2399
01:56:24,780 --> 01:56:21,699
you following this is what I enjoy about

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01:56:27,930 --> 01:56:24,790
it it's it's the research and we all go

2401
01:56:29,459 --> 01:56:27,940
and study the big cases and there's a

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01:56:31,919 --> 01:56:29,469
lot of information out there it's when

2403
01:56:33,419 --> 01:56:31,929
you find a gem you know like the

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01:56:35,220 --> 01:56:33,429
friendship case that you don't know

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01:56:38,160 --> 01:56:35,230
about you go and you jump into this and

2406
01:56:41,729 --> 01:56:38,170
you've realized how significant and and

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01:56:44,820 --> 01:56:41,739
how big it was and I suggest to anybody

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01:56:48,020 --> 01:56:44,830
out there go and check out I think the

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01:56:52,080 --> 01:56:48,030
video the movie the video is really good

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01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:52,090
look up friendship case video it's it's

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01:56:57,810 --> 01:56:54,730
about half an hour and it's it's very

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01:56:59,790 --> 01:56:57,820
fast and it tells all about it and it's

2413
01:57:02,100 --> 01:56:59,800
real it happened I talked to the people

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01:57:03,660 --> 01:57:02,110
let's let's take a break right here

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01:57:06,720 --> 01:57:03,670
Apollo we got to do it I got to pay the

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01:57:08,490 --> 01:57:06,730
bills so let's do that now this is fade

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to black our guest tonight Paula Harris

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and we're doing it all tonight we're

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gonna continue with you followed you

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around the world

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be right back after this short break

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you want to know a secret

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I love police I really love ponies I'm

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serious I couldn't stay sane without

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poor mr. brush I fade to black because

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welcome back fade to black

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I'm used to be Church you can follow me

2530
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on Twitter at Jay Church radio simple at

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sandbox if you have any questions for

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Paula tonight you can post them right

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there hashtag f2b

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q Paula what you are are you on Twitter

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02:02:47,970 --> 02:02:44,590
I am but I don't know how to use it I

2537
02:02:51,240 --> 02:02:47,980
all I can say is that my that I have the

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Star Wars USA on Twitter the Star Wars

2539
02:02:56,879 --> 02:02:54,040
USA who knows is my company that does

2540
02:02:59,430 --> 02:02:56,889
the de Laughlin conference in November

2541
02:03:01,830 --> 02:02:59,440
I'm on the sixth year of that conference

2542
02:03:05,580 --> 02:03:01,840
which was really based on consciousness

2543
02:03:07,709 --> 02:03:05,590
that I use Twitter for that now it's

2544
02:03:09,540 --> 02:03:07,719
gonna get posted up there and Twitter

2545
02:03:12,840 --> 02:03:09,550
here in just a second so everybody go

2546
02:03:16,379 --> 02:03:12,850
and follow Apollo right there one of the

2547
02:03:19,470 --> 02:03:16,389
things that I find most interesting is

2548
02:03:21,000 --> 02:03:19,480
it's very easy to research cases here in

2549
02:03:23,820 --> 02:03:21,010
the United States there's a lot of

2550
02:03:25,620 --> 02:03:23,830
documentation and books and videos and

2551
02:03:30,600 --> 02:03:25,630
things that you can go and do and and

2552
02:03:36,240 --> 02:03:30,610
and and but for me the international

2553
02:03:38,340 --> 02:03:36,250
cases are so amazing and two of them

2554
02:03:39,990 --> 02:03:38,350
every time I think international wolf

2555
02:03:44,280 --> 02:03:40,000
you know of course there's a Rendlesham

2556
02:03:49,649 --> 02:03:44,290
and and things but his the Ariel school

2557
02:03:53,700 --> 02:03:49,659
and rule ah in Zimbabwe here we have you

2558
02:03:56,879 --> 02:03:53,710
know a school students the playground

2559
02:03:59,939 --> 02:03:56,889
and and a Flying Saucer lands being

2560
02:04:03,479 --> 02:03:59,949
comes off makes contact with the kids

2561
02:04:06,209 --> 02:04:03,489
they all report it and they're all alive

2562
02:04:08,310 --> 02:04:06,219
today well you know the majority and

2563
02:04:11,609 --> 02:04:08,320
they can go back and recall this it's

2564
02:04:15,000 --> 02:04:11,619
one of the most amazing cases in all

2565
02:04:17,160 --> 02:04:15,010
history and the second one strangely

2566
02:04:18,780 --> 02:04:17,170
enough that always pops in I talk about

2567
02:04:23,520 --> 02:04:18,790
these two cases all the time on the show

2568
02:04:24,959 --> 02:04:23,530
is West all right yeah I was just gonna

2569
02:04:26,820 --> 02:04:24,969
mention that West all have you

2570
02:04:28,120 --> 02:04:26,830
interviewed anybody from there I'm

2571
02:04:31,209 --> 02:04:28,130
working on that now

2572
02:04:34,450 --> 02:04:31,219
actually I can get you I can get you

2573
02:04:37,840 --> 02:04:34,460
contact there because James Rigney works

2574
02:04:40,209 --> 02:04:37,850
with us he comes flies in from Australia

2575
02:04:42,700 --> 02:04:40,219
every year in November he is on my board

2576
02:04:45,879 --> 02:04:42,710
of directors for the de Laughlin

2577
02:04:49,120 --> 02:04:45,889
conference and he brought James Fox over

2578
02:04:52,479 --> 02:04:49,130
to interview those people work for his

2579
02:04:57,129 --> 02:04:52,489
movie and that is amazing also the same

2580
02:05:01,479 --> 02:04:57,139
thing happened 300 kids and the staff

2581
02:05:03,370 --> 02:05:01,489
right this is absolutely it's a no joke

2582
02:05:05,530 --> 02:05:03,380
and that's a great documentary by the

2583
02:05:08,200 --> 02:05:05,540
way the West all UFO documentary is an

2584
02:05:11,740 --> 02:05:08,210
amazing film that gave me some pretty

2585
02:05:14,010 --> 02:05:11,750
trippy dreams for about a month but you

2586
02:05:17,350 --> 02:05:14,020
know those are two cases that are

2587
02:05:21,370 --> 02:05:17,360
outside of the United States clearly the

2588
02:05:24,250 --> 02:05:21,380
UFO question is not an American

2589
02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:24,260
phenomenon is it that was just gonna

2590
02:05:29,320 --> 02:05:25,850
come out of my mouth we're on the same

2591
02:05:31,570 --> 02:05:29,330
wavelength that's the problem because we

2592
02:05:33,610 --> 02:05:31,580
think this is an American phenomenon and

2593
02:05:36,610 --> 02:05:33,620
we just you know we don't understand

2594
02:05:39,209 --> 02:05:36,620
that whatever or whoever is visiting

2595
02:05:43,300 --> 02:05:39,219
this planet is going everywhere and

2596
02:05:45,520 --> 02:05:43,310
talking to everyone and in contact and

2597
02:05:50,020 --> 02:05:45,530
when you go to contact children it's a

2598
02:05:52,180 --> 02:05:50,030
whole other world because Michelle

2599
02:05:53,379 --> 02:05:52,190
dronov pure they're honest they're going

2600
02:05:57,189 --> 02:05:53,389
to tell the truth they don't have an

2601
02:06:00,430 --> 02:05:57,199
agenda they don't want money and so you

2602
02:06:02,860 --> 02:06:00,440
know if someone does their work properly

2603
02:06:06,100 --> 02:06:02,870
they should be covering this I think

2604
02:06:10,149 --> 02:06:06,110
James Fox covered the Arial school in

2605
02:06:13,870 --> 02:06:10,159
Africa as well yes he did he's a friend

2606
02:06:16,629 --> 02:06:13,880
he's wonderful and yes his new film I

2607
02:06:20,439 --> 02:06:16,639
saw clips of his new film I'm going to

2608
02:06:23,350 --> 02:06:20,449
have him in Laughlin in 2022 to show his

2609
02:06:25,600 --> 02:06:23,360
film but what what the wider film is

2610
02:06:28,390 --> 02:06:25,610
good is because he travels all over the

2611
02:06:31,240 --> 02:06:28,400
world and he gets the source he talks to

2612
02:06:33,399 --> 02:06:31,250
the actual people not people who know

2613
02:06:35,200 --> 02:06:33,409
people who know people and you just

2614
02:06:38,050 --> 02:06:35,210
mentioned Rendlesham and I just spent

2615
02:06:40,689 --> 02:06:38,060
this past weekend with with Jim

2616
02:06:41,560 --> 02:06:40,699
Penniston and Jim had reached out to me

2617
02:06:44,500 --> 02:06:41,570
because he's

2618
02:06:47,950 --> 02:06:44,510
a new book with Gary Osmond on the code

2619
02:06:52,240 --> 02:06:47,960
and the code if there's a code within a

2620
02:06:55,540 --> 02:06:52,250
code and and it's just amazing to me to

2621
02:06:58,930 --> 02:06:55,550
listen to this man because 16 pages of

2622
02:07:01,390 --> 02:06:58,940
binary code is something that's totally

2623
02:07:04,959 --> 02:07:01,400
amazing and and James told me that it

2624
02:07:06,669 --> 02:07:04,969
was it came into his mind when he was

2625
02:07:09,399 --> 02:07:06,679
sleeping and the only way that he would

2626
02:07:12,550 --> 02:07:09,409
feel good its to transpose it to write

2627
02:07:14,459 --> 02:07:12,560
it to get it out of his brain II was

2628
02:07:17,350 --> 02:07:14,469
downloaded with this code so the

2629
02:07:20,979 --> 02:07:17,360
expertise is somebody like Gary Osborne

2630
02:07:23,200 --> 02:07:20,989
who you know used mathematics he used

2631
02:07:25,780 --> 02:07:23,210
coordinates he used a lot of different

2632
02:07:28,330 --> 02:07:25,790
ways to decode this the book is going to

2633
02:07:31,270 --> 02:07:28,340
be amazing because I just talked to him

2634
02:07:33,459 --> 02:07:31,280
today there is a final message there

2635
02:07:35,950 --> 02:07:33,469
that has to do with consciousness so

2636
02:07:37,629 --> 02:07:35,960
everywhere I go you can go nuts and

2637
02:07:41,229 --> 02:07:37,639
bolts all you want you can do

2638
02:07:44,439 --> 02:07:41,239
mathematics all you want you can you

2639
02:07:47,470 --> 02:07:44,449
know go to to you know examine science

2640
02:07:50,109 --> 02:07:47,480
all you want but I find that the common

2641
02:07:53,109 --> 02:07:50,119
denominator in all of the stuff that's

2642
02:07:55,510 --> 02:07:53,119
happening to this planet has to do with

2643
02:07:57,819 --> 02:07:55,520
the evolution or the elevation of human

2644
02:08:00,220 --> 02:07:57,829
consciousness now I just mentioned my

2645
02:08:01,810 --> 02:08:00,230
two favorite international case I just

2646
02:08:02,979 --> 02:08:01,820
had John Burroughs on the show last

2647
02:08:06,100 --> 02:08:02,989
night by the way talking about

2648
02:08:08,229 --> 02:08:06,110
revolution and he mentioned house born

2649
02:08:10,149 --> 02:08:08,239
in peniston's new book and I think we're

2650
02:08:11,979 --> 02:08:10,159
all excited about that I had so many

2651
02:08:14,109 --> 02:08:11,989
questions about the binary code last

2652
02:08:15,490 --> 02:08:14,119
night coming in from the audience and of

2653
02:08:17,169 --> 02:08:15,500
course Burroughs can't address it

2654
02:08:20,140 --> 02:08:17,179
because that you know I was a Peniston

2655
02:08:22,240 --> 02:08:20,150
situation but the book is coming out and

2656
02:08:25,120 --> 02:08:22,250
I'm looking forward to it I want to

2657
02:08:29,050 --> 02:08:25,130
March first is Karla Rendlesham enigma

2658
02:08:31,450 --> 02:08:29,060
and Jim had reached out to me because I

2659
02:08:34,120 --> 02:08:31,460
had met him at the Citizen hearing I

2660
02:08:36,520 --> 02:08:34,130
went and I met both of them at the

2661
02:08:38,140 --> 02:08:36,530
Citizen hearing I went to that talk

2662
02:08:39,790 --> 02:08:38,150
about disclosure if that didn't do

2663
02:08:42,069 --> 02:08:39,800
anything then I don't know what else we

2664
02:08:44,439 --> 02:08:42,079
need to do that was 39 witnesses

2665
02:08:47,640 --> 02:08:44,449
actually 40 with Linda Moulton Howe and

2666
02:08:51,370 --> 02:08:47,650
if that didn't do anything you know

2667
02:08:54,129 --> 02:08:51,380
anymore I I don't have any hopes that

2668
02:08:54,950 --> 02:08:54,139
that will all be on the same page with

2669
02:08:57,350 --> 02:08:54,960
this

2670
02:08:59,360 --> 02:08:57,360
me there are people that really care

2671
02:09:03,700 --> 02:08:59,370
that are going to research this that are

2672
02:09:06,350 --> 02:09:03,710
going to get personal a personal kind of

2673
02:09:08,840 --> 02:09:06,360
satisfaction about their own lives out

2674
02:09:10,940 --> 02:09:08,850
of this and then and then there's the

2675
02:09:14,360 --> 02:09:10,950
empty I'm gonna say the entertainment

2676
02:09:17,180 --> 02:09:14,370
angle which you know is it becomes the

2677
02:09:18,890 --> 02:09:17,190
Disneyland kind of thing and and you

2678
02:09:20,630 --> 02:09:18,900
know because I've been down to Roswell

2679
02:09:23,060 --> 02:09:20,640
I've seen the parade with all the

2680
02:09:25,970 --> 02:09:23,070
different aliens and I've seen I've seen

2681
02:09:28,850 --> 02:09:25,980
this kind of aspect of it and and I'm

2682
02:09:32,000 --> 02:09:28,860
looking at this going you know who's

2683
02:09:34,990 --> 02:09:32,010
gonna take us seriously I really want

2684
02:09:38,540 --> 02:09:35,000
the scientists and the professor's the

2685
02:09:40,729 --> 02:09:38,550
universities to take this seriously and

2686
02:09:43,190 --> 02:09:40,739
I don't know how much they're gonna take

2687
02:09:45,260 --> 02:09:43,200
it seriously unless we represent it as a

2688
02:09:48,140 --> 02:09:45,270
study well I just gave you my two

2689
02:09:50,060 --> 02:09:48,150
favorite cases or the two that pop into

2690
02:09:54,770 --> 02:09:50,070
my mind first and when we're talking

2691
02:09:56,240 --> 02:09:54,780
about international UFO incidents for

2692
02:09:57,830 --> 02:09:56,250
you what do you want to bring to the

2693
02:10:01,370 --> 02:09:57,840
table what's the one incident or two

2694
02:10:04,459 --> 02:10:01,380
that that stand out for you Ricardo

2695
02:10:07,220 --> 02:10:04,469
Gonzalez case contact from Abu that

2696
02:10:11,290 --> 02:10:07,230
Ricardo Gonzalez and that's Latin

2697
02:10:14,120 --> 02:10:11,300
American and the sister Paz Wells in the

2698
02:10:17,810 --> 02:10:14,130
1970s the the the people that went out

2699
02:10:19,370 --> 02:10:17,820
to meditate in the chuka desert those

2700
02:10:22,670 --> 02:10:19,380
young boys and everybody can go on

2701
02:10:25,010 --> 02:10:22,680
YouTube to get the actual you know word

2702
02:10:27,830 --> 02:10:25,020
for word interviews because I went and

2703
02:10:30,620 --> 02:10:27,840
interviewed them see still positive the

2704
02:10:32,630 --> 02:10:30,630
consciousness life Expo so that's where

2705
02:10:37,760 --> 02:10:32,640
I did my my interview with ceased oh

2706
02:10:40,760 --> 02:10:37,770
he's in the Latin part of the Expo those

2707
02:10:44,780 --> 02:10:40,770
Latin American cases for me are very

2708
02:10:46,820 --> 02:10:44,790
very important and because it's contact

2709
02:10:49,310 --> 02:10:46,830
with definite messages and they're human

2710
02:10:50,240 --> 02:10:49,320
type aliens the other one is the Howard

2711
02:10:53,540 --> 02:10:50,250
manager case

2712
02:10:58,729 --> 02:10:53,550
Howard manager Highbridge New Jersey I

2713
02:11:00,950 --> 02:10:58,739
do a lecture on that and basically I

2714
02:11:03,490 --> 02:11:00,960
have some photos from the wendell

2715
02:11:05,470 --> 02:11:03,500
stevens archive on that

2716
02:11:07,930 --> 02:11:05,480
who's sitting in the orchard with a

2717
02:11:11,170 --> 02:11:07,940
hundred people and you've heard this is

2718
02:11:12,970 --> 02:11:11,180
Val Thor and two other beings and I have

2719
02:11:14,830 --> 02:11:12,980
the photos of that color and in black

2720
02:11:17,800 --> 02:11:14,840
and white to come from Wendell Stevens

2721
02:11:20,440 --> 02:11:17,810
and I have the audio tape of the

2722
02:11:22,600 --> 02:11:20,450
photographer Auggie Roberts who says to

2723
02:11:25,020 --> 02:11:22,610
Wendell you know Howard manager told me

2724
02:11:27,070 --> 02:11:25,030
they're going to be three you know

2725
02:11:29,050 --> 02:11:27,080
extraterrestrials sitting there and he

2726
02:11:30,460 --> 02:11:29,060
didn't tell me who they were and he says

2727
02:11:32,560 --> 02:11:30,470
I ought to take pictures of everybody

2728
02:11:34,900 --> 02:11:32,570
and these three were overdressed and

2729
02:11:38,800 --> 02:11:34,910
they were sitting in the orchard with

2730
02:11:41,170 --> 02:11:38,810
Howard manager and that and in that case

2731
02:11:43,210 --> 02:11:41,180
it's fascinating for me because none of

2732
02:11:44,620 --> 02:11:43,220
my colleagues and I haven't been able to

2733
02:11:46,060 --> 02:11:44,630
afford to go to high bridge in New

2734
02:11:48,760 --> 02:11:46,070
Jersey but I want to go to that orchard

2735
02:11:52,450 --> 02:11:48,770
you said that you have color photographs

2736
02:11:54,130 --> 02:11:52,460
of valiant Thor yeah I do because they

2737
02:11:56,700 --> 02:11:54,140
come from the wendell stevens archive

2738
02:11:59,800 --> 02:11:56,710
wonderful students probably had more

2739
02:12:01,480 --> 02:11:59,810
material any researcher and planet earth

2740
02:12:05,290 --> 02:12:01,490
anyone really well

2741
02:12:07,780 --> 02:12:05,300
no question and he and I got these

2742
02:12:10,690 --> 02:12:07,790
photos a hundred photos plus audiotape

2743
02:12:13,060 --> 02:12:10,700
plus a letter of the photographer that

2744
02:12:16,540 --> 02:12:13,070
took the pictures of Thor and Don and

2745
02:12:18,370 --> 02:12:16,550
Jill sitting there and so you know I

2746
02:12:22,360 --> 02:12:18,380
have no doubts that they they were

2747
02:12:24,250 --> 02:12:22,370
sincere that manager said he you know

2748
02:12:26,710 --> 02:12:24,260
they're going to be there and everybody

2749
02:12:28,600 --> 02:12:26,720
else is dressed in shorts and you know

2750
02:12:30,460 --> 02:12:28,610
just hanging out in an orchard and

2751
02:12:34,600 --> 02:12:30,470
there's a hard manager with dark glasses

2752
02:12:36,880 --> 02:12:34,610
and there's these three overdressed very

2753
02:12:38,980 --> 02:12:36,890
formal unconvinced even you know talking

2754
02:12:41,770 --> 02:12:38,990
to Glenn staring who did Adamski said

2755
02:12:43,720 --> 02:12:41,780
these people would go would go with the

2756
02:12:45,760 --> 02:12:43,730
demske they were aliens they would

2757
02:12:47,740 --> 02:12:45,770
accompany him and his lecture tours in

2758
02:12:50,770 --> 02:12:47,750
Germany and they would dress in suit and

2759
02:12:52,720 --> 02:12:50,780
ties and he showed me a Polaroid and he

2760
02:12:55,990 --> 02:12:52,730
said look at this room he said which one

2761
02:12:57,310 --> 02:12:56,000
is the the the being and I said well

2762
02:12:59,710 --> 02:12:57,320
it's the guy that looks like Tab Hunter

2763
02:13:01,960 --> 02:12:59,720
that's overdressed really good-looking

2764
02:13:05,050 --> 02:13:01,970
young blond man he says yeah he's not

2765
02:13:08,170 --> 02:13:05,060
he's not human he doesn't come from here

2766
02:13:09,970 --> 02:13:08,180
and I'm thinking oh my god you know

2767
02:13:14,900 --> 02:13:09,980
we're missing this whole part of history

2768
02:13:18,650 --> 02:13:14,910
the 1950s and 60s back in the

2769
02:13:21,470 --> 02:13:18,660
he's late 80s remember when we had three

2770
02:13:24,830 --> 02:13:21,480
hour and six hour videotapes right those

2771
02:13:26,900 --> 02:13:24,840
extended play long videotapes and

2772
02:13:28,820 --> 02:13:26,910
somebody gave me I still have them

2773
02:13:31,220 --> 02:13:28,830
they're packed away in boxes but

2774
02:13:37,070 --> 02:13:31,230
somebody gave me to check this alcohol

2775
02:13:40,850 --> 02:13:37,080
of to three our video tapes of Wendell

2776
02:13:44,840 --> 02:13:40,860
Stevens going through his favorite

2777
02:13:48,050 --> 02:13:44,850
images now the and describing each one

2778
02:13:50,300 --> 02:13:48,060
and I don't know how many he goes

2779
02:13:51,560 --> 02:13:50,310
through in in this six hours and it's

2780
02:13:53,120 --> 02:13:51,570
like somebody with a video camera

2781
02:13:54,620 --> 02:13:53,130
sitting there with Wendell Wendell

2782
02:13:57,350 --> 02:13:54,630
sitting in a chair and he's got his

2783
02:14:00,590 --> 02:13:57,360
photo albums out and he's flipping pages

2784
02:14:03,410 --> 02:14:00,600
right it's the most incredible thing I

2785
02:14:08,900 --> 02:14:03,420
would watch there's these two videotapes

2786
02:14:12,020 --> 02:14:08,910
over and over and over again and it's

2787
02:14:13,900 --> 02:14:12,030
probably it's got to be a thousand

2788
02:14:16,790 --> 02:14:13,910
photographs that he goes through and

2789
02:14:19,460 --> 02:14:16,800
it's it's it's just incredible I miss

2790
02:14:20,660 --> 02:14:19,470
Wendell yeah I miss him too and you know

2791
02:14:23,020 --> 02:14:20,670
and one of the reasons is because

2792
02:14:25,310 --> 02:14:23,030
Wendell traveled all over the world and

2793
02:14:27,650 --> 02:14:25,320
we don't have time now and I don't want

2794
02:14:30,200 --> 02:14:27,660
to talk about it but I spent four hours

2795
02:14:32,120 --> 02:14:30,210
in the Tucson Airport with Wendell

2796
02:14:35,150 --> 02:14:32,130
Stevens before I went to Switzerland to

2797
02:14:38,000 --> 02:14:35,160
look at the Billy Mayer case I spent

2798
02:14:39,530 --> 02:14:38,010
four hours we just sat on the airport

2799
02:14:41,750 --> 02:14:39,540
and he told me every detail of

2800
02:14:44,960 --> 02:14:41,760
everything and then I went to Schmidt

2801
02:14:47,000 --> 02:14:44,970
Rudy with three Italians and and talked

2802
02:14:49,310 --> 02:14:47,010
to the townspeople and did a lot of

2803
02:14:51,950 --> 02:14:49,320
research over there that's another case

2804
02:14:54,920 --> 02:14:51,960
of human type aliens that's you know

2805
02:14:58,160 --> 02:14:54,930
just you know put under the rug you just

2806
02:15:00,080 --> 02:14:58,170
completely slipped swept away and that

2807
02:15:03,200 --> 02:15:00,090
picture is not one of the gold diggers

2808
02:15:05,090 --> 02:15:03,210
from Dean Martin as if you know the

2809
02:15:06,800 --> 02:15:05,100
picture I think of ask it because you

2810
02:15:08,900 --> 02:15:06,810
think yes somebody like Billy Meyer

2811
02:15:10,400 --> 02:15:08,910
who's a farmer is going to watch a Dean

2812
02:15:13,510 --> 02:15:10,410
Martin show and pick a gold digger I

2813
02:15:15,110 --> 02:15:13,520
mean some of this is so illogical and

2814
02:15:17,720 --> 02:15:15,120
ridiculous

2815
02:15:19,460 --> 02:15:17,730
and and I want to do that case and

2816
02:15:23,180 --> 02:15:19,470
before I did it because Wendell Stevens

2817
02:15:25,280 --> 02:15:23,190
and Lee and Britt elders did it and I've

2818
02:15:27,140 --> 02:15:25,290
talked to Britt elders

2819
02:15:28,880 --> 02:15:27,150
have to talk to the people I have to get

2820
02:15:32,620 --> 02:15:28,890
the background I have to know what they

2821
02:15:37,550 --> 02:15:32,630
saw I have to know the original stuff I

2822
02:15:39,590 --> 02:15:37,560
began studying the human type alien to

2823
02:15:43,070 --> 02:15:39,600
get away from the abduction stuff that

2824
02:15:45,500 --> 02:15:43,080
were 100% immersed in right now to

2825
02:15:47,590 --> 02:15:45,510
understand if there were messages that

2826
02:15:50,750 --> 02:15:47,600
came with these civilizations

2827
02:15:53,060 --> 02:15:50,760
well there's and there's an aspect to

2828
02:15:56,510 --> 02:15:53,070
this that I find interesting both with

2829
02:15:59,450 --> 02:15:56,520
somebody like George Van Tassel and the

2830
02:16:02,300 --> 02:15:59,460
original contactees from the 1950s and

2831
02:16:07,460 --> 02:16:02,310
you just brought it up 15,000 people at

2832
02:16:10,850 --> 02:16:07,470
giant rock right that that was a very

2833
02:16:13,330 --> 02:16:10,860
interesting time in ufology and you have

2834
02:16:15,860 --> 02:16:13,340
to ask yourself on one basic question

2835
02:16:19,550 --> 02:16:15,870
were all of those people crazy and

2836
02:16:21,890 --> 02:16:19,560
delusional or were these based on actual

2837
02:16:26,090 --> 02:16:21,900
events and experiences and I fast

2838
02:16:28,640 --> 02:16:26,100
forward to today Paula and I asked the

2839
02:16:31,370 --> 02:16:28,650
very same questions when we have the

2840
02:16:33,680 --> 02:16:31,380
abduction phenomenon and the channeling

2841
02:16:37,129 --> 02:16:33,690
and the contact that we have today of

2842
02:16:39,080 --> 02:16:37,139
which there are probably millions of

2843
02:16:41,080 --> 02:16:39,090
people out there with these same

2844
02:16:43,580 --> 02:16:41,090
experiences that they are talking about

2845
02:16:45,080 --> 02:16:43,590
what do we do with that are we saying

2846
02:16:47,150 --> 02:16:45,090
that we've got millions of people

2847
02:16:51,400 --> 02:16:47,160
walking around on this planet completely

2848
02:16:54,110 --> 02:16:51,410
delusional and schizophrenic and insane

2849
02:16:58,250 --> 02:16:54,120
the way that I can answer that is John

2850
02:16:59,839 --> 02:16:58,260
Mack just before he died he said to me

2851
02:17:02,080 --> 02:16:59,849
you know Paula he said it as a

2852
02:17:04,070 --> 02:17:02,090
progression he said there were

2853
02:17:06,709 --> 02:17:04,080
abductions and as he wrote the book

2854
02:17:08,570 --> 02:17:06,719
abductions and my goodness and he said

2855
02:17:11,629 --> 02:17:08,580
but what's happening is there's been a

2856
02:17:12,589 --> 02:17:11,639
transformation into direct downloads no

2857
02:17:15,530 --> 02:17:12,599
the weather you want to call that

2858
02:17:17,390 --> 02:17:15,540
channeling or whatever he said the

2859
02:17:19,520 --> 02:17:17,400
people I'm talking to right now can sit

2860
02:17:23,150 --> 02:17:19,530
in a chair perfectly awake and get

2861
02:17:25,070 --> 02:17:23,160
direct downloads and he said it's like

2862
02:17:27,020 --> 02:17:25,080
evolution it's like an evolutionary

2863
02:17:29,240 --> 02:17:27,030
phase you know this is the one year

2864
02:17:31,910 --> 02:17:29,250
before he died in and he spent some time

2865
02:17:33,350 --> 02:17:31,920
in my apartment in Rome so I got to talk

2866
02:17:35,629 --> 02:17:33,360
to him about these things because I'm

2867
02:17:38,240 --> 02:17:35,639
really curious however what I'm

2868
02:17:39,650 --> 02:17:38,250
complaining about is that all of every

2869
02:17:42,950 --> 02:17:39,660
single conference that's all there is

2870
02:17:43,580 --> 02:17:42,960
you don't touch the human-alien aspect

2871
02:17:49,160 --> 02:17:43,590
at all

2872
02:17:53,120 --> 02:17:49,170
that becomes historical and don't you

2873
02:17:54,950 --> 02:17:53,130
see that these people that not only come

2874
02:17:56,780 --> 02:17:54,960
up to me and talk but that are intent

2875
02:17:58,580 --> 02:17:56,790
you know and tell me their experiences

2876
02:18:01,490 --> 02:17:58,590
but that attend these conferences

2877
02:18:03,500 --> 02:18:01,500
including yours right they're out there

2878
02:18:06,110 --> 02:18:03,510
trying to seek answers they're trying to

2879
02:18:08,690 --> 02:18:06,120
they can't talk to their boss or their

2880
02:18:10,759 --> 02:18:08,700
family about it not necessarily but they

2881
02:18:13,430 --> 02:18:10,769
can go and hang out ask questions and

2882
02:18:15,770 --> 02:18:13,440
and and find others that have had

2883
02:18:19,640 --> 02:18:15,780
similar experiences so they can go and

2884
02:18:23,209 --> 02:18:19,650
talk and get this out absolutely we have

2885
02:18:26,240 --> 02:18:23,219
an experience or group every morning and

2886
02:18:28,850 --> 02:18:26,250
where they can share their experiences

2887
02:18:31,520 --> 02:18:28,860
and that's important and they're like

2888
02:18:33,680 --> 02:18:31,530
minded people however like you just said

2889
02:18:36,410 --> 02:18:33,690
we we bring in people from other

2890
02:18:38,209 --> 02:18:36,420
countries I brought sister Paz I brought

2891
02:18:40,339 --> 02:18:38,219
recon today every time we come to

2892
02:18:41,450 --> 02:18:40,349
Gonzales speaks and he spoke at my

2893
02:18:44,870 --> 02:18:41,460
conference last year

2894
02:18:47,360 --> 02:18:44,880
he's very logical he shows the proof

2895
02:18:50,240 --> 02:18:47,370
because he travels all over has real

2896
02:18:52,520 --> 02:18:50,250
contact as he's finished his speech he

2897
02:18:53,959 --> 02:18:52,530
gets up to walk out and he doesn't speak

2898
02:18:55,669 --> 02:18:53,969
English that well and the whole room

2899
02:18:58,730 --> 02:18:55,679
empties and follows him out right

2900
02:19:02,030 --> 02:18:58,740
because they resonate with the messages

2901
02:19:05,450 --> 02:19:02,040
that these opponents who say they're us

2902
02:19:08,180 --> 02:19:05,460
from the future have and they and people

2903
02:19:10,220 --> 02:19:08,190
walk out and they the problem is again

2904
02:19:14,629 --> 02:19:10,230
the language barrier so I had the books

2905
02:19:17,140 --> 02:19:14,639
translated into English and in the books

2906
02:19:20,299 --> 02:19:17,150
are on Amazon but it's new information

2907
02:19:22,850 --> 02:19:20,309
Jimmy and that's and he spoke last year

2908
02:19:26,780 --> 02:19:22,860
actually consciousness life Expo Takata

2909
02:19:29,360 --> 02:19:26,790
they did and I think that if you're

2910
02:19:35,629 --> 02:19:29,370
studying this you got to study all of it

2911
02:19:37,640 --> 02:19:35,639
all of it every single aspect the lineup

2912
02:19:39,200 --> 02:19:37,650
that you had last year I'm gonna I'm

2913
02:19:41,390 --> 02:19:39,210
gonna confess something to you right now

2914
02:19:43,730 --> 02:19:41,400
live on the air so I go and I look at

2915
02:19:45,620 --> 02:19:43,740
Paula's lineup for her conference last

2916
02:19:48,379 --> 02:19:45,630
year and I'm looking now when there is

2917
02:19:49,150 --> 02:19:48,389
three months worth of shows for me right

2918
02:19:52,420 --> 02:19:49,160
there

2919
02:19:55,510 --> 02:19:52,430
all international speakers with a fresh

2920
02:19:57,820 --> 02:19:55,520
take on everything and that I really

2921
02:20:01,719 --> 02:19:57,830
appreciate and commend you for taking

2922
02:20:03,580 --> 02:20:01,729
that angle and going fully nearly fully

2923
02:20:06,940 --> 02:20:03,590
international last year are you going to

2924
02:20:09,520 --> 02:20:06,950
continue that well yeah I mean it was

2925
02:20:11,920 --> 02:20:09,530
amazing that I got regular to agree to

2926
02:20:13,750 --> 02:20:11,930
come in on skype this year and he's

2927
02:20:15,910 --> 02:20:13,760
gonna have a reunion with Russell Targ

2928
02:20:18,100 --> 02:20:15,920
on the stage these are that Russell Targ

2929
02:20:21,760 --> 02:20:18,110
and how boot offered the ones that that

2930
02:20:23,830 --> 02:20:21,770
did the Fri experiments on the SPR

2931
02:20:26,290 --> 02:20:23,840
remote viewing and I have Angela Smith

2932
02:20:27,790 --> 02:20:26,300
and my boss Modi's you by ah de from

2933
02:20:30,370 --> 02:20:27,800
Italy who's going to talk about the

2934
02:20:32,290 --> 02:20:30,380
Michael Wolf case and nicked open the

2935
02:20:36,639 --> 02:20:32,300
Rendlesham actually I hope you come

2936
02:20:38,800 --> 02:20:36,649
because it's all new stuff and that's

2937
02:20:40,870 --> 02:20:38,810
all new and it's very difficult to do

2938
02:20:42,490 --> 02:20:40,880
because a lot of these people need

2939
02:20:46,300 --> 02:20:42,500
interpreters and I think it's very

2940
02:20:49,030 --> 02:20:46,310
difficult for conferences that we have

2941
02:20:52,000 --> 02:20:49,040
today to afford to bring international

2942
02:20:56,110 --> 02:20:52,010
speakers and get an interpreter you know

2943
02:20:58,179 --> 02:20:56,120
and and I have to do it because if I

2944
02:21:00,490 --> 02:20:58,189
don't bring this information over who's

2945
02:21:03,670 --> 02:21:00,500
going to do it you know and I can

2946
02:21:06,340 --> 02:21:03,680
honestly say this is auto financed it's

2947
02:21:09,130 --> 02:21:06,350
not there's no sponsors here I've had to

2948
02:21:12,280 --> 02:21:09,140
put my you know refinance my house I

2949
02:21:15,010 --> 02:21:12,290
don't know how many times to do it and I

2950
02:21:19,810 --> 02:21:15,020
really really really want people to have

2951
02:21:22,330 --> 02:21:19,820
this so I invite you to talk to any of

2952
02:21:26,070 --> 02:21:22,340
these international speakers there's a

2953
02:21:28,780 --> 02:21:26,080
woman from Peru that has contact with

2954
02:21:31,179 --> 02:21:28,790
people from Andromeda and she has

2955
02:21:34,630 --> 02:21:31,189
photographs are unbelievable and she

2956
02:21:36,520 --> 02:21:34,640
does speak English so you know Marcela

2957
02:21:41,050 --> 02:21:36,530
would be amazing any of these people

2958
02:21:45,670 --> 02:21:41,060
would be amazing the the other part of

2959
02:21:47,500 --> 02:21:45,680
this and I want to get back to what I

2960
02:21:50,170 --> 02:21:47,510
was asking you earlier we got away from

2961
02:21:52,389 --> 02:21:50,180
it which which I love right we just took

2962
02:21:56,800 --> 02:21:52,399
a left and right-hand turns but when we

2963
02:21:59,260 --> 02:21:56,810
talk about Chile or Argentina or Brazil

2964
02:22:02,320 --> 02:21:59,270
or Mexico

2965
02:22:07,270 --> 02:22:02,330
so many other Latin American countries

2966
02:22:10,870 --> 02:22:07,280
where the military generals at of will

2967
02:22:13,780 --> 02:22:10,880
come literally out in the public and

2968
02:22:17,500 --> 02:22:13,790
discuss this that's a whole different

2969
02:22:19,780 --> 02:22:17,510
attitude on the UFO question than what

2970
02:22:21,219 --> 02:22:19,790
we do here in the United States is there

2971
02:22:24,280 --> 02:22:21,229
a chance we were talking about

2972
02:22:26,760 --> 02:22:24,290
disclosure that disclosure would happen

2973
02:22:30,100 --> 02:22:26,770
from a country like Chile or Argentina

2974
02:22:31,660 --> 02:22:30,110
and and now from the United States where

2975
02:22:32,260 --> 02:22:31,670
they come forward and go look okay you

2976
02:22:35,860 --> 02:22:32,270
know what

2977
02:22:39,160 --> 02:22:35,870
we got a craft in a warehouse and Lima

2978
02:22:41,320 --> 02:22:39,170
Peru is there is there a chance of that

2979
02:22:42,990 --> 02:22:41,330
kind of disclosure coming outside of the

2980
02:22:45,640 --> 02:22:43,000
United States and not from here

2981
02:22:49,690 --> 02:22:45,650
already yes I mean look at the Virginia

2982
02:22:51,460 --> 02:22:49,700
case for principal and the Roger Leir

2983
02:22:54,070 --> 02:22:51,470
wrote a book about the being that was

2984
02:22:57,070 --> 02:22:54,080
taken to the hospital called the surgeon

2985
02:22:58,719 --> 02:22:57,080
and the scalpel the Citizen hearing if

2986
02:23:01,090 --> 02:22:58,729
you can get the tapes from that have

2987
02:23:04,990 --> 02:23:01,100
these generals here they had generals

2988
02:23:09,670 --> 02:23:05,000
from Earl Grey Paraguay and of course

2989
02:23:13,030 --> 02:23:09,680
the disclosure project had the Iranian

2990
02:23:15,760 --> 02:23:13,040
pilot that that had the near close call

2991
02:23:18,040 --> 02:23:15,770
with that UFO we don't look at those

2992
02:23:20,170 --> 02:23:18,050
things unfortunately they don't mean

2993
02:23:22,900 --> 02:23:20,180
anything to the average person because

2994
02:23:24,640 --> 02:23:22,910
they're looking at other aspects of the

2995
02:23:26,530 --> 02:23:24,650
UFO phenomenon but I'm sitting in the

2996
02:23:28,210 --> 02:23:26,540
front row listening to these poor

2997
02:23:30,520 --> 02:23:28,220
generals they all stand out they raise

2998
02:23:31,690 --> 02:23:30,530
their hand they tell they swear to god

2999
02:23:33,600 --> 02:23:31,700
they're going to tell the truth the

3000
02:23:36,040 --> 02:23:33,610
whole truth and here are these

3001
02:23:39,969 --> 02:23:36,050
congressmen that are retired and and

3002
02:23:42,940 --> 02:23:39,979
Mike Gravel the senator from I think he

3003
02:23:45,610 --> 02:23:42,950
was Alaska poor people they're listening

3004
02:23:46,510 --> 02:23:45,620
to these generals one of them is turning

3005
02:23:50,200 --> 02:23:46,520
Dwight

3006
02:23:52,060 --> 02:23:50,210
Kilpatrick aunt went to have some coffee

3007
02:23:55,060 --> 02:23:52,070
and I sat next to her she's the next

3008
02:23:58,000 --> 02:23:55,070
Congress lady and she was her coffee cup

3009
02:24:00,520 --> 02:23:58,010
was shaking and I said it's okay it's

3010
02:24:02,980 --> 02:24:00,530
okay I said - it's okay this is real

3011
02:24:05,950 --> 02:24:02,990
it's okay because they were in shock

3012
02:24:09,940 --> 02:24:05,960
that these credible generals from South

3013
02:24:11,470 --> 02:24:09,950
America and we had Gary Heseltine from

3014
02:24:14,200 --> 02:24:11,480
England we had

3015
02:24:16,570 --> 02:24:14,210
Roberta fenerty from Italy we had AJ

3016
02:24:20,051 --> 02:24:16,580
Gifford from Brazil I mean what more can

3017
02:24:22,091 --> 02:24:20,061
you want then all these people that are

3018
02:24:24,640 --> 02:24:22,101
talking the truth about cases all over

3019
02:24:28,091 --> 02:24:24,650
the world with more disclosure do you

3020
02:24:30,240 --> 02:24:28,101
want than that and and I saw the

3021
02:24:33,220 --> 02:24:30,250
reaction of those poor Congress people

3022
02:24:37,301 --> 02:24:33,230
the retired ones that were part of the

3023
02:24:38,980 --> 02:24:37,311
panel and I don't think any of this

3024
02:24:41,051 --> 02:24:38,990
makes a difference I know I sound

3025
02:24:42,600 --> 02:24:41,061
skeptical and jaded but I don't think

3026
02:24:46,030 --> 02:24:42,610
any of it makes a difference

3027
02:24:48,430 --> 02:24:46,040
very interesting outlook on all of this

3028
02:24:52,120 --> 02:24:48,440
it you know because disclosure means so

3029
02:24:58,600 --> 02:24:52,130
much to or some of it it's different to

3030
02:25:01,511 --> 02:24:58,610
so many and I have to say this when this

3031
02:25:03,430 --> 02:25:01,521
is I want to think exactly I guess this

3032
02:25:06,990 --> 02:25:03,440
was last year a contact in the desert

3033
02:25:10,450 --> 02:25:07,000
I've got literally Paula in front of me

3034
02:25:14,890 --> 02:25:10,460
1,500 people right packed 15 other

3035
02:25:17,921 --> 02:25:14,900
people and I say to them I don't need

3036
02:25:22,511 --> 02:25:17,931
disclosure right and they started to boo

3037
02:25:24,400 --> 02:25:22,521
and and the reason you know and I'm

3038
02:25:27,430 --> 02:25:24,410
trying to say you know I've seen what

3039
02:25:31,330 --> 02:25:27,440
I've seen and I'm okay with it but when

3040
02:25:33,850 --> 02:25:31,340
I said what what the community needs

3041
02:25:35,921 --> 02:25:33,860
when they think of disclosure is they

3042
02:25:38,770 --> 02:25:35,931
need the president the United States to

3043
02:25:41,620 --> 02:25:38,780
step up to a podium and say we are not

3044
02:25:44,770 --> 02:25:41,630
alone and the place erupted in cheers

3045
02:25:47,261 --> 02:25:44,780
and that's what that's not going to

3046
02:25:50,080 --> 02:25:47,271
change and you can say would you baby I

3047
02:25:53,470 --> 02:25:50,090
agree with I know right I agree with you

3048
02:25:55,301 --> 02:25:53,480
but we are in the vast minority here

3049
02:25:57,761 --> 02:25:55,311
that's not good

3050
02:26:01,060 --> 02:25:57,771
no I know but you know which president

3051
02:26:06,430 --> 02:26:01,070
you want to do that you know I mean it's

3052
02:26:10,240 --> 02:26:06,440
I know you know like we're doing and by

3053
02:26:10,660 --> 02:26:10,250
the way it's you know it's it's already

3054
02:26:13,020 --> 02:26:10,670
done

3055
02:26:14,591 --> 02:26:13,030
just close your show is disclosure I

3056
02:26:16,780 --> 02:26:14,601
agree with that

3057
02:26:20,261 --> 02:26:16,790
your show is disclosure coast-to-coast

3058
02:26:22,070 --> 02:26:20,271
is disclosure any any show guide

3059
02:26:24,860 --> 02:26:22,080
television with

3060
02:26:26,150 --> 02:26:24,870
they're Marines disclosure I mean we

3061
02:26:28,099 --> 02:26:26,160
have disclosure it doesn't make a

3062
02:26:33,590 --> 02:26:28,109
difference it does not make a difference

3063
02:26:36,260 --> 02:26:33,600
it's not about the UFOs or the ETS it's

3064
02:26:41,120 --> 02:26:36,270
about us it's about our relationship to

3065
02:26:43,520 --> 02:26:41,130
the cosmos it's about figuring out who

3066
02:26:46,219 --> 02:26:43,530
we are why we're here and all this and

3067
02:26:50,929 --> 02:26:46,229
it's a much deeper question and I

3068
02:26:52,490 --> 02:26:50,939
believe that even if something landed on

3069
02:26:57,050 --> 02:26:52,500
the White House lawn they'd say was

3070
02:26:59,480 --> 02:26:57,060
Disney audio-animatronics they would

3071
02:27:02,540 --> 02:26:59,490
they would not believe it because if you

3072
02:27:06,530 --> 02:27:02,550
understand it and you study it you don't

3073
02:27:08,870 --> 02:27:06,540
need that kind of you know disclosure

3074
02:27:11,210 --> 02:27:08,880
you know it's real I mean you just talk

3075
02:27:15,110 --> 02:27:11,220
anybody that you talk to who is an

3076
02:27:18,260 --> 02:27:15,120
insider knows it's real safe travels I

3077
02:27:20,630 --> 02:27:18,270
am going to see you in less than four

3078
02:27:23,210 --> 02:27:20,640
weeks out here in Los Angeles at the

3079
02:27:24,650 --> 02:27:23,220
conscious life Expo and maybe I'll get

3080
02:27:26,360 --> 02:27:24,660
lucky and have the privilege of

3081
02:27:29,630 --> 02:27:26,370
introducing you when you speak

3082
02:27:32,120 --> 02:27:29,640
all right so safe travels thank you

3083
02:27:34,550 --> 02:27:32,130
thank you very much take care thank you

3084
02:27:37,010 --> 02:27:34,560
so much Paul we're it before you jet off

3085
02:27:56,770 --> 02:27:37,020
where can everybody contact you and

3086
02:28:10,190 --> 02:28:06,740
www.jfn.co.jp/toho take care bye bye

3087
02:28:12,469 --> 02:28:10,200
Paula Harris great conversation star

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02:28:16,130 --> 02:28:12,479
wars usa.com

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02:28:17,630 --> 02:28:16,140
Paola Harris dot-com all right the links

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are up at Jimmy's retributive icon we'll

3091
02:28:20,990 --> 02:28:19,470
get them up there and Twitter I'm gonna

3092
02:28:21,800 --> 02:28:21,000
take a short break I'm gonna swing back

3093
02:28:24,620 --> 02:28:21,810
around

3094
02:28:26,720 --> 02:28:24,630
and open up these phone lines let's do

3095
02:28:33,560 --> 02:28:26,730
that for the last segments I'll be right

3096
02:28:50,910 --> 02:28:47,750
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02:32:26,120 --> 02:32:24,360
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02:32:29,030 --> 02:32:26,130
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02:32:38,559 --> 02:32:29,040
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02:32:53,090 --> 02:32:42,290
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02:32:57,840 --> 02:32:53,100
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02:32:57,850 --> 02:33:10,621
[Music]

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02:33:15,031 --> 02:33:13,330
all right welcome back fade to black

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02:33:21,371 --> 02:33:15,041
[Music]

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02:33:23,381 --> 02:33:21,381
opening up the phone lines right now the

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02:33:25,390 --> 02:33:23,391
callin numbers are three two three eight

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02:33:27,850 --> 02:33:25,400
two five five zero four five or three

3183
02:33:31,841 --> 02:33:27,860
two three two seven five nine six nine

3184
02:33:33,701 --> 02:33:31,851
five or eight one eight nine two one six

3185
02:33:37,331 --> 02:33:33,711
nine two nine I want to thank Paula

3186
02:33:43,261 --> 02:33:37,341
Harris for an amazing conversation

3187
02:33:45,581 --> 02:33:43,271
tonight 73 years old oh I did that that

3188
02:33:48,371 --> 02:33:45,591
sometimes you just have to back up and

3189
02:33:49,451 --> 02:33:48,381
go WOW well I just did all right so the

3190
02:33:55,091 --> 02:33:49,461
phone lines are open

3191
02:33:58,961 --> 02:33:55,101
let's go to first area code 904 who's

3192
02:34:01,720 --> 02:33:58,971
calling hey how you doing Jimmy my name

3193
02:34:06,791 --> 02:34:01,730
is amar and I'm from Syria I lived here

3194
02:34:09,701 --> 02:34:06,801
in Florida since 2008 okay thank you for

3195
02:34:11,261 --> 02:34:09,711
having my Cole the reason why I'm

3196
02:34:13,690 --> 02:34:11,271
calling is because I had a huge

3197
02:34:16,001 --> 02:34:13,700
synchronicity when I was listening to

3198
02:34:19,871 --> 02:34:16,011
you talk to the rabbi last time Oh what

3199
02:34:21,581 --> 02:34:19,881
happened I'll get to that in a bit but

3200
02:34:25,961 --> 02:34:21,591
I've always been into the consciousness

3201
02:34:29,560 --> 02:34:25,971
thing with Steven Greer and you know

3202
02:34:31,930 --> 02:34:29,570
I've done the meditation a lot of times

3203
02:34:34,211 --> 02:34:31,940
nothing ever happened to me but then

3204
02:34:36,821 --> 02:34:34,221
when I went to when I started going to

3205
02:34:39,281 --> 02:34:36,831
sleep I would get these huge vibrations

3206
02:34:41,650 --> 02:34:39,291
in my body and I didn't know what they

3207
02:34:45,791 --> 02:34:41,660
were so I had to google it and things

3208
02:34:47,860 --> 02:34:45,801
like that but then you know I reached

3209
02:34:50,381 --> 02:34:47,870
after a projection of stuff but then I

3210
02:34:57,940 --> 02:34:50,391
came to the consciousness part which is

3211
02:35:02,440 --> 02:34:57,950
why I'm calling you right you know when

3212
02:35:05,381 --> 02:35:02,450
I when when when you sorry I'm a little

3213
02:35:12,071 --> 02:35:05,391
bit nervous it's okay it's all right

3214
02:35:14,801 --> 02:35:12,081
it's all right so when I go to bed if

3215
02:35:18,730 --> 02:35:14,811
I'm really sleepy and my eyes are heavy

3216
02:35:21,541 --> 02:35:18,740
all I do is I lay on my back and count

3217
02:35:23,360 --> 02:35:21,551
my breath and close my eyes and

3218
02:35:25,190 --> 02:35:23,370
literally the

3219
02:35:28,011 --> 02:35:25,200
patients would come to me and I would

3220
02:35:31,150 --> 02:35:28,021
see this huge tunnel tunnel of colors

3221
02:35:33,980 --> 02:35:31,160
every time I do this I experience this

3222
02:35:35,450 --> 02:35:33,990
and then I would end up okay go ahead

3223
02:35:39,740 --> 02:35:35,460
that was my next question so what

3224
02:35:42,230 --> 02:35:39,750
happens okay so you end up I would end

3225
02:35:44,480 --> 02:35:42,240
up in this tunnel and then right before

3226
02:35:49,670 --> 02:35:44,490
it ends more vibrations coming I feel

3227
02:35:54,770 --> 02:35:49,680
the wind coming through my face and then

3228
02:35:57,770 --> 02:35:54,780
I would end up in my room but I can see

3229
02:35:59,511 --> 02:35:57,780
my exact room just a bit darker and I

3230
02:36:03,470 --> 02:35:59,521
can move in it and I can go through

3231
02:36:05,360 --> 02:36:03,480
walls and weird stuff like that but this

3232
02:36:08,360 --> 02:36:05,370
really resonated with the consciousness

3233
02:36:11,570 --> 02:36:08,370
but a lot of people talk about this can

3234
02:36:13,280 --> 02:36:11,580
you do it like you know like tonight

3235
02:36:15,890 --> 02:36:13,290
right after the show when you go to bed

3236
02:36:20,511 --> 02:36:15,900
can can you can you do it when you want

3237
02:36:23,301 --> 02:36:20,521
to yeah absolutely as long as I am like

3238
02:36:25,670 --> 02:36:23,311
in this really sleepy state which brings

3239
02:36:29,780 --> 02:36:25,680
me back to David Icke you know how he

3240
02:36:33,200 --> 02:36:29,790
says you have to block your sensory

3241
02:36:37,700 --> 02:36:33,210
organs from giving you input from this

3242
02:36:40,160 --> 02:36:37,710
reality yeah so I'm thinking that's how

3243
02:36:43,520 --> 02:36:40,170
it works I mean I would love for you to

3244
02:36:45,860 --> 02:36:43,530
try it honestly and see if you

3245
02:36:48,440 --> 02:36:45,870
experienced anything like that well you

3246
02:36:54,190 --> 02:36:48,450
know what I do and then I want to move

3247
02:36:56,480 --> 02:36:54,200
on to the rabbi but this is what I do

3248
02:36:58,250 --> 02:36:56,490
this is a strange this is

3249
02:37:01,820 --> 02:36:58,260
you know you've developed your way of

3250
02:37:07,490 --> 02:37:01,830
doing it this is what I do is when I am

3251
02:37:14,960 --> 02:37:07,500
ready I when I close my eyes I picture

3252
02:37:19,011 --> 02:37:14,970
Oh window on the side of a wall that is

3253
02:37:20,750 --> 02:37:19,021
black and I go up to the window like

3254
02:37:23,180 --> 02:37:20,760
it's a house right I it's a house like a

3255
02:37:27,290 --> 02:37:23,190
white house with with a little window in

3256
02:37:30,710 --> 02:37:27,300
it and I go up to the window and I crawl

3257
02:37:33,950 --> 02:37:30,720
through it now and and when I when I

3258
02:37:36,020 --> 02:37:33,960
crawl through the window if I when I

3259
02:37:40,910 --> 02:37:36,030
crawl through the window I'm out

3260
02:37:44,030 --> 02:37:40,920
deep deep deep crazy sleep strong you

3261
02:37:46,970 --> 02:37:44,040
know thing but if I struggle with it

3262
02:37:50,720 --> 02:37:46,980
right if I can't go all through the

3263
02:37:52,730 --> 02:37:50,730
window I don't go into the zone and so I

3264
02:37:53,840 --> 02:37:52,740
can concentrate and then when I crawl

3265
02:37:55,880 --> 02:37:53,850
through the whanau this is my don't

3266
02:37:57,470 --> 02:37:55,890
think nobody's taught me this this is

3267
02:38:00,680 --> 02:37:57,480
something that I have developed over

3268
02:38:03,650 --> 02:38:00,690
many many many many years but that's

3269
02:38:05,960 --> 02:38:03,660
what I do and I've often been afraid

3270
02:38:07,790 --> 02:38:05,970
like if I did this in public right I'm

3271
02:38:10,910 --> 02:38:07,800
up on stage and I've got people in front

3272
02:38:12,650 --> 02:38:10,920
of me and I go ok so I closed my eyes

3273
02:38:15,410 --> 02:38:12,660
and everybody closed their eyes and I

3274
02:38:17,000 --> 02:38:15,420
picture a black window and then I go and

3275
02:38:22,820 --> 02:38:17,010
crawl through and I'll look out and then

3276
02:38:25,370 --> 02:38:22,830
I've got 250 people snoring right so I

3277
02:38:28,460 --> 02:38:25,380
but and I don't want to do it on the air

3278
02:38:29,450 --> 02:38:28,470
either I just did it so just imagine if

3279
02:38:32,420 --> 02:38:29,460
people do this

3280
02:38:34,550 --> 02:38:32,430
so do it in bed right and but that

3281
02:38:36,500 --> 02:38:34,560
that's that's what I do I'll take the

3282
02:38:39,710 --> 02:38:36,510
feedback from everybody if they want to

3283
02:38:42,590 --> 02:38:39,720
go and try it but that's what I do yeah

3284
02:38:44,720 --> 02:38:42,600
it's it's really like I'm always

3285
02:38:47,270 --> 02:38:44,730
wondering how come scientists are

3286
02:38:49,430 --> 02:38:47,280
exploring that because when I do it it's

3287
02:38:51,410 --> 02:38:49,440
definitely not a dream like when when I

3288
02:38:53,540 --> 02:38:51,420
go through the tunnel and the vibrations

3289
02:38:55,490 --> 02:38:53,550
I don't feel like I went to sleep I have

3290
02:38:57,290 --> 02:38:55,500
total consciousness right right right

3291
02:38:59,900 --> 02:38:57,300
that's fascinating and I remember

3292
02:39:04,850 --> 02:38:59,910
everything that is fascinating that is

3293
02:39:06,560 --> 02:39:04,860
fascinating I will I will try it I'll

3294
02:39:09,080 --> 02:39:06,570
see what I can do I'll see what I can do

3295
02:39:11,260 --> 02:39:09,090
I would like to check that out oh yeah

3296
02:39:14,060 --> 02:39:11,270
let me know I watched all your episode

3297
02:39:15,470 --> 02:39:14,070
thank you so much when did you get I'm

3298
02:39:20,270 --> 02:39:15,480
going to get to the rabbi in a second

3299
02:39:23,000 --> 02:39:20,280
when did you get here from Syria 2008 I

3300
02:39:24,800 --> 02:39:23,010
came here as a student and then all the

3301
02:39:26,890 --> 02:39:24,810
war happened and stuff so I was allowed

3302
02:39:29,620 --> 02:39:26,900
to stay and get a job you know and

3303
02:39:32,360 --> 02:39:29,630
United States treating you pretty well

3304
02:39:35,540 --> 02:39:32,370
yeah absolutely I love this place and

3305
02:39:38,240 --> 02:39:35,550
you know I've always loved everyone and

3306
02:39:40,340 --> 02:39:38,250
I always wondered why do human being

3307
02:39:42,590 --> 02:39:40,350
fight within each other maybe that's

3308
02:39:44,870 --> 02:39:42,600
part of it too yeah yeah I agree with

3309
02:39:49,099 --> 02:39:44,880
you and it's really unfortunate what has

3310
02:39:51,439 --> 02:39:49,109
happened not only to Syria but

3311
02:39:54,830 --> 02:39:51,449
you know when you think about you know

3312
02:39:58,219 --> 02:39:54,840
Iraq and and of course the wars that

3313
02:40:00,800 --> 02:39:58,229
were between Iraq and Iran and what's

3314
02:40:02,719 --> 02:40:00,810
going on with you know the the border

3315
02:40:06,229 --> 02:40:02,729
skirmishes right now with Israel I mean

3316
02:40:09,559 --> 02:40:06,239
it's a concept if I was a child over in

3317
02:40:12,019 --> 02:40:09,569
Syria just living every day out with

3318
02:40:14,719 --> 02:40:12,029
with that kind of stuff happening it

3319
02:40:17,719 --> 02:40:14,729
just freaks me out just so I just feel

3320
02:40:18,740 --> 02:40:17,729
so bad but okay let's let's get over to

3321
02:40:22,420 --> 02:40:18,750
the rabbi

3322
02:40:25,160 --> 02:40:22,430
what would you resonate with okay so

3323
02:40:27,109 --> 02:40:25,170
remember it's that episode but it's not

3324
02:40:29,389 --> 02:40:27,119
exactly the rabbi but remember like the

3325
02:40:31,250 --> 02:40:29,399
first caller who in the end talked to

3326
02:40:34,370 --> 02:40:31,260
you about the tablet and the holographic

3327
02:40:35,899 --> 02:40:34,380
text and how like you would be read from

3328
02:40:41,200 --> 02:40:35,909
both sides because they were rotating

3329
02:40:44,899 --> 02:40:41,210
that's right well I had an experience

3330
02:40:48,950 --> 02:40:44,909
where I just woke up fully awake in my

3331
02:40:51,349 --> 02:40:48,960
bed and I closed my eyes back and I was

3332
02:40:54,050 --> 02:40:51,359
still awake but I could see this tablet

3333
02:40:57,019 --> 02:40:54,060
and it was really dark blue and the

3334
02:41:01,519 --> 02:40:57,029
outline of it was white and inside the

3335
02:41:04,460 --> 02:41:01,529
tablet was whole what do you call them

3336
02:41:06,740 --> 02:41:04,470
heroglyph yeah I couldn't understand

3337
02:41:09,740 --> 02:41:06,750
whatsoever but they were white and they

3338
02:41:12,050 --> 02:41:09,750
were at they were rotating but it's not

3339
02:41:13,969 --> 02:41:12,060
like a full rotation it's not a smooth

3340
02:41:15,740 --> 02:41:13,979
thing it was just like a blink to the

3341
02:41:17,630 --> 02:41:15,750
side and then a blink to the other side

3342
02:41:21,979 --> 02:41:17,640
all at once and I didn't know what that

3343
02:41:24,019 --> 02:41:21,989
was do you write this down you know it

3344
02:41:27,590 --> 02:41:24,029
sounds like you vividly remember all of

3345
02:41:29,990 --> 02:41:27,600
it do you write it down no and the

3346
02:41:32,269 --> 02:41:30,000
reason is I remembered what happened but

3347
02:41:34,189 --> 02:41:32,279
I don't remember the helichrysum cells

3348
02:41:38,179 --> 02:41:34,199
because I didn't understand them

3349
02:41:40,490 --> 02:41:38,189
whatsoever you know when he when he

3350
02:41:43,040 --> 02:41:40,500
spoke about that and how the tablet was

3351
02:41:46,700 --> 02:41:43,050
actually a holographic and the texts

3352
02:41:49,069 --> 02:41:46,710
were moving I had the biggest rest of my

3353
02:41:52,519 --> 02:41:49,079
life like my tears started coming out

3354
02:41:55,309 --> 02:41:52,529
and I felt this huge like vibrations my

3355
02:41:57,950 --> 02:41:55,319
body was my hair was standing up like no

3356
02:42:00,489 --> 02:41:57,960
way I pictured it to in my mind's eye

3357
02:42:03,340 --> 02:42:00,499
when he described it and with

3358
02:42:06,670 --> 02:42:03,350
with the text rotating and I did the

3359
02:42:08,500 --> 02:42:06,680
same thing for you this is what if I can

3360
02:42:10,090 --> 02:42:08,510
ask you to do this and then I've got to

3361
02:42:13,090 --> 02:42:10,100
get to some other calls amar thank you

3362
02:42:15,489 --> 02:42:13,100
for calling tonight but the next time

3363
02:42:20,160 --> 02:42:15,499
that it happens you may not understand

3364
02:42:23,830 --> 02:42:20,170
what the hieroglyphics are but draw them

3365
02:42:25,929 --> 02:42:23,840
draw them I mean whatever it is that it

3366
02:42:28,029 --> 02:42:25,939
doesn't have to of course you know it's

3367
02:42:31,389 --> 02:42:28,039
not going to make sense to you but

3368
02:42:34,899 --> 02:42:31,399
capture it in your mind and and get it

3369
02:42:39,099 --> 02:42:34,909
written down we would all I look desire

3370
02:42:40,899 --> 02:42:39,109
okay yeah thank you for having me and

3371
02:42:44,710 --> 02:42:40,909
thank you amar first-time caller and

3372
02:42:47,649 --> 02:42:44,720
don't be a stranger man okay call me

3373
02:42:49,059 --> 02:42:47,659
call me back after you I want to see

3374
02:42:51,880 --> 02:42:49,069
these hieroglyphs and so does everybody

3375
02:42:53,979 --> 02:42:51,890
else you know this so tight you will and

3376
02:42:56,349 --> 02:42:53,989
if what I said worked for you let me

3377
02:42:58,929 --> 02:42:56,359
know in the episodes I'll be so happy I

3378
02:43:02,229 --> 02:42:58,939
will let you know over the air amar

3379
02:43:04,210 --> 02:43:02,239
thank you so much thank you have a great

3380
02:43:04,569 --> 02:43:04,220
night that's a great phone call right

3381
02:43:11,139 --> 02:43:04,579
there

3382
02:43:14,559 --> 02:43:11,149
and the thing is when when the rabbi was

3383
02:43:17,139 --> 02:43:14,569
describing that on the air I did what

3384
02:43:20,500 --> 02:43:17,149
I'm sure all of us were doing at the

3385
02:43:23,199 --> 02:43:20,510
same time I was picturing the text

3386
02:43:27,399 --> 02:43:23,209
rotating and I locked on to that that

3387
02:43:29,979 --> 02:43:27,409
was a very vivid picture in my mind

3388
02:43:31,630 --> 02:43:29,989
absolutely incredible I want to go back

3389
02:43:33,580 --> 02:43:31,640
okay phone lines are open by the way

3390
02:43:35,559 --> 02:43:33,590
three two three eight to five five zero

3391
02:43:37,870 --> 02:43:35,569
four five three two three two seven five

3392
02:43:42,489 --> 02:43:37,880
nine six nine five or eight one eight

3393
02:43:44,080 --> 02:43:42,499
nine two one six nine two nine I want to

3394
02:43:46,389 --> 02:43:44,090
get back because I'm looking at these

3395
02:43:51,309 --> 02:43:46,399
comments here on Twitter and I got an

3396
02:43:56,889 --> 02:43:51,319
email that came in about my comments

3397
02:44:00,779 --> 02:43:56,899
about not needing disclosure I kind of

3398
02:44:05,620 --> 02:44:00,789
want everybody to lock on to something

3399
02:44:08,199 --> 02:44:05,630
the the excitement that I had last year

3400
02:44:11,590 --> 02:44:08,209
December 16th December 17th whatever

3401
02:44:13,660 --> 02:44:11,600
that day was that Saturday with the

3402
02:44:14,380 --> 02:44:13,670
announcement going out over mainstream

3403
02:44:19,059 --> 02:44:14,390
media

3404
02:44:21,130 --> 02:44:19,069
when that happened I I was elated and

3405
02:44:24,130 --> 02:44:21,140
the first thing I thought about was the

3406
02:44:26,739 --> 02:44:24,140
community and how happy everybody was

3407
02:44:28,510 --> 02:44:26,749
going to be and how happy I was and if

3408
02:44:30,609 --> 02:44:28,520
you remember I drove straight to the

3409
02:44:33,550 --> 02:44:30,619
bunker I fired up the systems and I said

3410
02:44:35,349 --> 02:44:33,560
hey we're going live tonight right this

3411
02:44:38,969 --> 02:44:35,359
is too big of a deal

3412
02:44:41,830 --> 02:44:38,979
so it's not like I don't want to dismiss

3413
02:44:44,319 --> 02:44:41,840
saying you know you know I don't know I

3414
02:44:50,559 --> 02:44:44,329
felt the same energy that everybody else

3415
02:44:54,189 --> 02:44:50,569
had last December but to that end when I

3416
02:44:57,489 --> 02:44:54,199
think about the the strange events that

3417
02:44:59,349 --> 02:44:57,499
I've personally witnessed personally I'm

3418
02:45:01,359 --> 02:44:59,359
not talking about all the testimony all

3419
02:45:04,029 --> 02:45:01,369
the guests on the show all the video

3420
02:45:08,380 --> 02:45:04,039
that's not what I'm referring to talking

3421
02:45:12,279 --> 02:45:08,390
about my own personal self that I don't

3422
02:45:14,170 --> 02:45:12,289
need disclosure and if you've had the

3423
02:45:16,179 --> 02:45:14,180
same excite of--can about yourself

3424
02:45:19,000 --> 02:45:16,189
personally not what you've heard on this

3425
02:45:21,880 --> 02:45:19,010
show or or have seen out there or heard

3426
02:45:25,540 --> 02:45:21,890
from others but with your own personal

3427
02:45:29,880 --> 02:45:25,550
experience what do you need disclosure

3428
02:45:34,119 --> 02:45:29,890
for all disclosure is there for is to

3429
02:45:36,729 --> 02:45:34,129
close the door on the subject so we can

3430
02:45:40,389 --> 02:45:36,739
all move forward and so we could you

3431
02:45:43,569 --> 02:45:40,399
know to thumb our noses at everybody

3432
02:45:45,550 --> 02:45:43,579
around us that that laughed for so many

3433
02:45:47,260 --> 02:45:45,560
years okay so I get that you get a

3434
02:45:49,540 --> 02:45:47,270
certain amount of satisfaction out of it

3435
02:45:52,779 --> 02:45:49,550
but I agree with Paula

3436
02:45:54,639 --> 02:45:52,789
I am fully on her side of the fence with

3437
02:45:57,219 --> 02:45:54,649
this I don't need it

3438
02:45:58,869 --> 02:45:57,229
you know but the reaction that I got and

3439
02:46:00,699 --> 02:45:58,879
if you were at contact in the desert

3440
02:46:02,649 --> 02:46:00,709
last year when I was talking to the

3441
02:46:03,429 --> 02:46:02,659
crowd about this he has know exactly

3442
02:46:05,439 --> 02:46:03,439
what I'm saying

3443
02:46:07,599 --> 02:46:05,449
it got a little bit tense there in that

3444
02:46:12,300 --> 02:46:07,609
room it was like Jimmy what are you

3445
02:46:13,479 --> 02:46:12,310
saying right now so I get it I totally

3446
02:46:18,719 --> 02:46:13,489
get it

3447
02:46:26,590 --> 02:46:22,769
this is Joe from Virginia hi Joe from

3448
02:46:27,950 --> 02:46:26,600
Virginia how are you man I'm doing good

3449
02:46:30,050 --> 02:46:27,960
thank you

3450
02:46:34,640 --> 02:46:30,060
are you I'm doing great ma'am what's on

3451
02:46:39,560 --> 02:46:34,650
your mind well I love your last three

3452
02:46:45,460 --> 02:46:39,570
shows they were fantastic and the rabbi

3453
02:46:50,030 --> 02:46:45,470
he was just out of this world and well

3454
02:46:55,580 --> 02:46:50,040
what I want to know is you know I had a

3455
02:46:59,140 --> 02:46:55,590
question that has been bothering me for

3456
02:47:05,660 --> 02:46:59,150
a long time if all these other countries

3457
02:47:10,510 --> 02:47:05,670
can come out and say that these things

3458
02:47:19,250 --> 02:47:10,520
are real and that they are happening and

3459
02:47:26,650 --> 02:47:19,260
that these beings are real why can't

3460
02:47:31,370 --> 02:47:26,660
this country do that because you know

3461
02:47:34,070 --> 02:47:31,380
the lady you had on tonight she said you

3462
02:47:38,150 --> 02:47:34,080
know the generals from like Brazil's

3463
02:47:46,430 --> 02:47:38,160
Peto Paraguay Uruguay yeah Paraguay yeah

3464
02:47:50,090 --> 02:47:46,440
and from Italy war on and you know they

3465
02:47:55,060 --> 02:47:50,100
raised their hands but all the Americans

3466
02:48:00,410 --> 02:47:55,070
seem to be rather nervous about it I

3467
02:48:05,570 --> 02:48:00,420
have I have a basic answer for that Joe

3468
02:48:11,390 --> 02:48:05,580
which is an unfortunate one but I think

3469
02:48:16,730 --> 02:48:11,400
that we can all agree that the problem

3470
02:48:20,120 --> 02:48:16,740
is is money and the problem is the oil

3471
02:48:24,110 --> 02:48:20,130
industry and the gas industry the coal

3472
02:48:26,810 --> 02:48:24,120
industry at nuclear power and in those

3473
02:48:28,880 --> 02:48:26,820
industries I think that and I want to

3474
02:48:31,070 --> 02:48:28,890
thank you for the phone call I think

3475
02:48:37,910 --> 02:48:31,080
that when we are dealing with all of

3476
02:48:40,019 --> 02:48:37,920
this that if there is a source of energy

3477
02:48:44,700 --> 02:48:40,029
out there

3478
02:48:48,090 --> 02:48:44,710
is is powering these and not only from a

3479
02:48:50,160 --> 02:48:48,100
power source an energy source but some

3480
02:48:52,679 --> 02:48:50,170
type of antigravity and maybe some

3481
02:48:54,410 --> 02:48:52,689
invisibility is going on and this kind

3482
02:48:57,030 --> 02:48:54,420
of technology is out there and also the

3483
02:49:01,290 --> 02:48:57,040
interdimensional aspect of it what would

3484
02:49:03,780 --> 02:49:01,300
that do to the world economy right where

3485
02:49:05,670 --> 02:49:03,790
suddenly you could I've got a hair

3486
02:49:11,040 --> 02:49:05,680
everybody's watching me I've got a hair

3487
02:49:15,030 --> 02:49:11,050
on my face is if you didn't have to pay

3488
02:49:17,820 --> 02:49:15,040
to travel around the world if you didn't

3489
02:49:19,590 --> 02:49:17,830
have to put gas in your car if you

3490
02:49:22,800 --> 02:49:19,600
didn't have to do any of that and the

3491
02:49:25,740 --> 02:49:22,810
power in your house suddenly these

3492
02:49:29,780 --> 02:49:25,750
ginormous not only corporations but the

3493
02:49:32,910 --> 02:49:29,790
banks that drive them they become

3494
02:49:36,269 --> 02:49:32,920
inconsequential there's no need for them

3495
02:49:38,250 --> 02:49:36,279
and that is what is controlling this

3496
02:49:40,860 --> 02:49:38,260
planet that's the true control of

3497
02:49:44,160 --> 02:49:40,870
everything so that's that's where the

3498
02:49:47,120 --> 02:49:44,170
problem is in the United States like

3499
02:49:49,769 --> 02:49:47,130
China Russia is not quite as big

3500
02:49:51,660 --> 02:49:49,779
money-wise but Great Britain is

3501
02:49:55,170 --> 02:49:51,670
certainly right there France has got a

3502
02:49:57,660 --> 02:49:55,180
pretty strong economy and in Europe that

3503
02:50:00,900 --> 02:49:57,670
if you take all of that away that money

3504
02:50:04,679 --> 02:50:00,910
disappears and those people control

3505
02:50:07,250 --> 02:50:04,689
every every aspect of our lives so it's

3506
02:50:10,250 --> 02:50:07,260
not in their best interest you know the

3507
02:50:14,400 --> 02:50:10,260
possibility of them changing their mind

3508
02:50:16,650 --> 02:50:14,410
when we run out of oil the oil is not

3509
02:50:19,740 --> 02:50:16,660
there to profit if they can figure out a

3510
02:50:23,210 --> 02:50:19,750
way to to make money off of UFO

3511
02:50:25,590 --> 02:50:23,220
technology off of alien technology then

3512
02:50:27,690 --> 02:50:25,600
it'll be a different story and if you

3513
02:50:29,250 --> 02:50:27,700
think about it in those terms I think

3514
02:50:31,380 --> 02:50:29,260
that answers all of our questions and

3515
02:50:33,300 --> 02:50:31,390
you know what something I'm comfortable

3516
02:50:35,880 --> 02:50:33,310
with it but it certainly makes a lot of

3517
02:50:39,120 --> 02:50:35,890
sense to me let's go to area code nine

3518
02:50:42,479 --> 02:50:39,130
five one you are up next on fader block

3519
02:50:46,010 --> 02:50:42,489
who's calling hey Jimmy Church this is

3520
02:50:49,530 --> 02:50:46,020
fred grace hi Fred grace how are you I

3521
02:50:53,179 --> 02:50:49,540
am doing great man and you right on it

3522
02:50:59,010 --> 02:50:53,189
there is technology out there

3523
02:51:01,260 --> 02:50:59,020
that you can create like the vortex

3524
02:51:04,559 --> 02:51:01,270
knowledge is what I mean to and ask do

3525
02:51:07,699 --> 02:51:04,569
it plasma generator right hand onto by

3526
02:51:10,919 --> 02:51:07,709
Paul Pantone Matt since we were just

3527
02:51:14,010 --> 02:51:10,929
transmitting elements and he's getting a

3528
02:51:18,329 --> 02:51:14,020
lot of electricity for some energy and

3529
02:51:19,829 --> 02:51:18,339
this comes and then after he started

3530
02:51:22,109 --> 02:51:19,839
teaching class and he was a big

3531
02:51:23,789 --> 02:51:22,119
sensation there for a while they figured

3532
02:51:26,899 --> 02:51:23,799
out you know put some mercury in the

3533
02:51:33,689 --> 02:51:26,909
fuel and then BAM they have huge

3534
02:51:37,050 --> 02:51:33,699
electricity collectors in 360 degrees ok

3535
02:51:42,209 --> 02:51:37,060
need to speak up I'm losing or that's

3536
02:51:44,849 --> 02:51:42,219
kind of like what the tr-3b pops at 360

3537
02:51:47,909 --> 02:51:44,859
degrees fear is an electromagnetic field

3538
02:51:50,879 --> 02:51:47,919
right in the infrared or the ultraviolet

3539
02:51:53,669 --> 02:51:50,889
now it's infrared on that one but anyway

3540
02:51:57,569 --> 02:51:53,679
so we have this our caller earlier was

3541
02:52:00,300 --> 02:51:57,579
saying we can't do it but we can we have

3542
02:52:02,729 --> 02:52:00,310
it we got the tr-3b we got this guy

3543
02:52:05,819 --> 02:52:02,739
dreadknots now this guy dreadknots are

3544
02:52:08,399 --> 02:52:05,829
huge these are the this is a Lockheed

3545
02:52:10,349 --> 02:52:08,409
Martin corporation with everything else

3546
02:52:13,229 --> 02:52:10,359
in the military-industrial complex

3547
02:52:17,010 --> 02:52:13,239
they travel in hyper speed man these

3548
02:52:20,989 --> 02:52:17,020
things are fast no inertia because it

3549
02:52:26,579 --> 02:52:20,999
creates its own field its own bubble of

3550
02:52:29,550 --> 02:52:26,589
basically time so that's where we're

3551
02:52:31,709 --> 02:52:29,560
getting in there and you know I want to

3552
02:52:35,340 --> 02:52:31,719
do this I want to build a spaceship I'm

3553
02:52:38,609 --> 02:52:35,350
home youtube monetize me now on steam it

3554
02:52:41,519 --> 02:52:38,619
and I just keep trying that's all we're

3555
02:52:43,879 --> 02:52:41,529
gonna have to do one day one citizen is

3556
02:52:47,909 --> 02:52:43,889
going to have to take this and just

3557
02:52:49,889 --> 02:52:47,919
eliminate Elon Musk in all just gonna

3558
02:52:52,489 --> 02:52:49,899
have to take over everything you know

3559
02:52:56,519 --> 02:52:52,499
with this plasma generator and you oh

3560
02:52:58,889 --> 02:52:56,529
yeah so anyway I'm excited okay Fred

3561
02:53:02,129 --> 02:52:58,899
take it for the phone call and I totally

3562
02:53:04,559 --> 02:53:02,139
I totally agree with you Fred and say

3563
02:53:05,160 --> 02:53:04,569
it's good thank you for the phone call

3564
02:53:08,490 --> 02:53:05,170
it's got it

3565
02:53:12,900 --> 02:53:08,500
gonna take like Fred says it's gonna

3566
02:53:16,800 --> 02:53:12,910
take somebody brave to step up you know

3567
02:53:18,900 --> 02:53:16,810
and it's been done many many times and

3568
02:53:21,540 --> 02:53:18,910
we never seem to hear from them again

3569
02:53:23,400 --> 02:53:21,550
and I don't want to get I don't want to

3570
02:53:26,580 --> 02:53:23,410
get dark I don't want to do any of that

3571
02:53:29,460 --> 02:53:26,590
I don't want to freak people out but it

3572
02:53:32,940 --> 02:53:29,470
just seems that there is enough enough

3573
02:53:36,120 --> 02:53:32,950
evidence out there with anybody that has

3574
02:53:39,420 --> 02:53:36,130
come up with something where more energy

3575
02:53:41,580 --> 02:53:39,430
is put out than is put in which goes all

3576
02:53:44,670 --> 02:53:41,590
the way to cars that were running on

3577
02:53:46,830 --> 02:53:44,680
water or a carburetor that would get you

3578
02:53:49,050 --> 02:53:46,840
you know five hundred miles per gallon

3579
02:53:51,210 --> 02:53:49,060
these people we never heard from again

3580
02:53:53,160 --> 02:53:51,220
you know whether they were bought out or

3581
02:53:55,260 --> 02:53:53,170
silenced or whatever that there's a

3582
02:53:57,420 --> 02:53:55,270
reason behind all of that let's go to

3583
02:53:59,640 --> 02:53:57,430
area code man I've got I've got three

3584
02:54:02,730 --> 02:53:59,650
minutes left let's go to area eight one

3585
02:54:04,500 --> 02:54:02,740
three that's right how are you here we

3586
02:54:06,270 --> 02:54:04,510
go Jimmy how you doing this Rudy from

3587
02:54:09,120 --> 02:54:06,280
sever man how are you I'm doing good

3588
02:54:10,650 --> 02:54:09,130
Rudy from Tampa how are you hey it's

3589
02:54:12,390 --> 02:54:10,660
always good to hear you man you always

3590
02:54:15,719 --> 02:54:12,400
bring the truth and you always bring

3591
02:54:18,480 --> 02:54:15,729
love and light I want to tell you Jimmy

3592
02:54:21,120 --> 02:54:18,490
um I don't even know where to start

3593
02:54:22,950 --> 02:54:21,130
where do we start Jimmy you tell me

3594
02:54:25,050 --> 02:54:22,960
we've got about two and a half minutes

3595
02:54:26,969 --> 02:54:25,060
left before the end of the show two and

3596
02:54:28,410 --> 02:54:26,979
a half minutes well Jimmy I want to tell

3597
02:54:32,280 --> 02:54:28,420
you that you're a very special person

3598
02:54:36,330 --> 02:54:32,290
you are on your mission we don't need

3599
02:54:38,580 --> 02:54:36,340
disclosure those who know know and there

3600
02:54:41,340 --> 02:54:38,590
is no going around it right and those

3601
02:54:43,920 --> 02:54:41,350
who serve the Creator it doesn't matter

3602
02:54:46,590 --> 02:54:43,930
what the other side brings we're here to

3603
02:54:48,870 --> 02:54:46,600
stay with a team that's what I'm talking

3604
02:54:51,450 --> 02:54:48,880
Thank You Rudy a behaving be well out

3605
02:54:53,820 --> 02:54:51,460
there in Tampa man hey that's right

3606
02:54:55,920 --> 02:54:53,830
thank you yeah thank you so much and

3607
02:54:59,790 --> 02:54:55,930
that's that's a great phone call I you

3608
02:55:02,870 --> 02:54:59,800
know may just maybe this might resonate

3609
02:55:06,510 --> 02:55:02,880
through with everybody do we really need

3610
02:55:10,260 --> 02:55:06,520
disclosure all right the big D it'll be

3611
02:55:14,400 --> 02:55:10,270
fun it'll be fun but do we really need

3612
02:55:16,350 --> 02:55:14,410
it let's go to area code

3613
02:55:18,711 --> 02:55:16,360
let me see what I've got going on here

3614
02:55:20,911 --> 02:55:18,721
let's go to area code three six zero

3615
02:55:24,241 --> 02:55:20,921
you're up next I'm fade to black who's

3616
02:55:27,661 --> 02:55:24,251
calling that's not give me height

3617
02:55:31,140 --> 02:55:27,671
Annette great to hear your voice hi

3618
02:55:34,320 --> 02:55:31,150
thank you so I just want to point out

3619
02:55:39,060 --> 02:55:34,330
that some of us that are still following

3620
02:55:48,091 --> 02:55:39,070
the queueing on they call it a movement

3621
02:55:49,770 --> 02:55:48,101
but whatever he said that there are I'm

3622
02:55:54,631 --> 02:55:49,780
trying to remember the words but there

3623
02:55:58,591 --> 02:55:54,641
there are programs that are not

3624
02:56:06,711 --> 02:55:58,601
disclosed to the public okay special

3625
02:56:10,551 --> 02:56:06,721
access programs right okay so we think

3626
02:56:17,371 --> 02:56:10,561
well a lot of people think that the

3627
02:56:23,100 --> 02:56:17,381
queueing on is the Alliance and they are

3628
02:56:28,890 --> 02:56:23,110
in cahoots with the president mm-hmm so

3629
02:56:32,520 --> 02:56:28,900
I say again would that not be the

3630
02:56:38,461 --> 02:56:32,530
disclosure president hmm what do you

3631
02:56:43,650 --> 02:56:38,471
think I think it may be but it's it's

3632
02:56:48,570 --> 02:56:43,660
also the slow roll out the flow

3633
02:56:52,501 --> 02:56:48,580
disclosure that David Wilcock keeps

3634
02:56:54,841 --> 02:56:52,511
talking about mm-hmm and that it's not a

3635
02:56:59,841 --> 02:56:54,851
full disclosure they're just trying to

3636
02:57:03,150 --> 02:56:59,851
dribble us to death dribble us to death

3637
02:57:05,820 --> 02:57:03,160
what would you write

3638
02:57:12,020 --> 02:57:05,830
I've got 60 seconds I want your answer

3639
02:57:15,841 --> 02:57:12,030
on this okay what how would you react

3640
02:57:17,581 --> 02:57:15,851
after spending so much time on cue and

3641
02:57:18,541 --> 02:57:17,591
on I'm not suggesting anything that I

3642
02:57:20,520 --> 02:57:18,551
know anything

3643
02:57:24,020 --> 02:57:20,530
I'm just being the devil's advocate here

3644
02:57:26,421 --> 02:57:24,030
how would you react if you found out

3645
02:57:31,780 --> 02:57:26,431
queuing on

3646
02:57:36,070 --> 02:57:31,790
a couple of 25 year old kids in Tucson

3647
02:57:39,881 --> 02:57:36,080
having fun how would you react to that

3648
02:57:45,261 --> 02:57:39,891
to be honest I wouldn't care because

3649
02:57:49,751 --> 02:57:45,271
it's the idea of it rather than who is

3650
02:57:54,350 --> 02:57:49,761
that guy it's the idea of the whole I

3651
02:57:56,480 --> 02:57:54,360
mean pretty much he's been saying

3652
02:57:58,220 --> 02:57:56,490
everything that all of us have already

3653
02:58:02,720 --> 02:57:58,230
known for years

3654
02:58:06,020 --> 02:58:02,730
mm-hmm so all of us have already known

3655
02:58:09,591 --> 02:58:06,030
that there's a deep state and all this

3656
02:58:16,520 --> 02:58:09,601
what have you we've known this for you

3657
02:58:22,640 --> 02:58:16,530
know 10 20 years and now it's just

3658
02:58:26,421 --> 02:58:22,650
coming out faster yeah yeah tonight

3659
02:58:29,270 --> 02:58:26,431
tonight those are wise words and as I

3660
02:58:31,551 --> 02:58:29,280
start to roll the outro music which I'm

3661
02:58:32,921 --> 02:58:31,561
going to do right now I want you to say

3662
02:58:40,581 --> 02:58:32,931
to all the fader nots

3663
02:58:42,470 --> 02:58:40,591
gobekli tepe you ready say it I'll talk

3664
02:58:46,730 --> 02:58:42,480
to you today have a great night we'll

3665
02:58:50,751 --> 02:58:46,740
see you tomorrow night tonight bringing

3666
02:58:53,720 --> 02:58:50,761
it on strong here you go that's uh

3667
02:58:55,970 --> 02:58:53,730
that's pretty wise those are wise words

3668
02:58:58,011 --> 02:58:55,980
she's a wise woman they do blacks

3669
02:59:00,081 --> 02:58:58,021
executive producers Rita carry on shows

3670
02:59:02,810 --> 02:59:00,091
preached by MJ palm Renee Dennis and Bob

3671
02:59:03,921 --> 02:59:02,820
announces our Steve harder Jean Patou a

3672
02:59:06,860 --> 02:59:03,931
mark D Kovar

3673
02:59:09,950 --> 02:59:06,870
what master is Drew the geek music doug

3674
02:59:13,160 --> 02:59:09,960
aldrich intros space boys space boy

3675
02:59:16,450 --> 02:59:13,170
music calm fade to black is produced by

3676
02:59:19,970 --> 02:59:16,460
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3677
02:59:22,251 --> 02:59:19,980
the planet broadcast own a copyright in

3678
02:59:23,070 --> 02:59:22,261
2019 by fade to black and the game

3679
02:59:25,980 --> 02:59:23,080
changer now

3680
02:59:27,780 --> 02:59:25,990
it cannot be rebroadcast downloaded

3681
02:59:30,059 --> 02:59:27,790
copied or used anywhere in the known

3682
02:59:32,400 --> 02:59:30,069
universe without written permission from

3683
02:59:34,860 --> 02:59:32,410
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3684
02:59:35,900 --> 02:59:34,870
our bureaus Jimmy Church you know what

3685
02:59:38,880 --> 02:59:35,910
that means

3686
02:59:44,190 --> 02:59:38,890
tomorrow night is fader nights open

3687
02:59:47,429 --> 02:59:44,200
lines all night long until then follow

3688
02:59:50,450 --> 02:59:47,439
me on Twitter at Jade Church radio I

3689
02:59:54,550 --> 02:59:50,460
want everybody to be safe